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  • Recently, I saw a video where someone said that the next inFAMOUS wouldn't be an inFAMOUS if it didn't have your powers as bolts, rockets and grenades. That is stupid. The inFAMOUS games are not inFAMOUS games because of a pattern in abilities. The inFAMOUS games could have any combat system and still be inFAMOUS games.

    Also, all the time people talk about wanting Cole back. That the next game would be rubbish without him. Cole isn't the reason why the 1st inFAMOUS was good. He was cool, but we need new characters. If we had new characters, it would still be inFAMOUS.

    What makes the inFAMOUS games is the story and the themes. People are forgetting that. It doesn't matter if the next game has powers where you aren't shooting rockets and grenades, or whether Cole is in the game or not. As long as the themes, story and ideas are the same, it is an inFAMOUS game. I love the first game for it being an awesome super hero game, aswell as something with some deep moral questions that make me think, along with some cool conspiricy ideas. Yes Cole is cool, the gameplay is fun, but the story is what really makes it.

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    • "Also, all the time people talk about wanting Cole back. That the next game would be rubbish without him. Cole isn't the reason why the 1st inFAMOUS was good. He was cool, but we need new characters. If we had new characters, it would still be inFAMOUS." Yes, please, please tell me how well Delsin went over with the fanbase? Oh yeah, not good at all.

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    • Jim Logan wrote:
      "Also, all the time people talk about wanting Cole back. That the next game would be rubbish without him. Cole isn't the reason why the 1st inFAMOUS was good. He was cool, but we need new characters. If we had new characters, it would still be inFAMOUS."Yes, please, please tell me how well Delsin went over with the fanbase? Oh yeah, not good at all.

      I never said that Delsin was a good character or went well with the fanbase, Delsin was not good at all. I'm saying that Sucker Punch shouldn't ruin a perfect story just for fan service. I don't want Delsin or Cole, I want new characters, hopefully ones that aren't stereotypical 20 year olds. I'm saying inFAMOUS doesn't need Cole to save itself from the doom brought by Second Son.

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    • Just give it a month or two. You'll be surprised by the announcements SP make.

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    • Shock Blue appearance.

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    • Shock Blue quick reply.

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    • Not sure if people are losing the spirit, but I know for a fact they're not loosing the spirit. Not to sound like a jerk, but just sayin'.

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    • I just want an inFAMOUS collection on PS4. All three PS3 games running at 60 FPS and in 1080p (or 4K on PS4 Pro) just like the Uncharted Collection. I would cream my jeans if that was announced.

      A pipe dream of mine is to have them port the first game to the second's engine, similar to what they did with Metro 2033 when they released the Redux for 8th gen consoles. Won't happen... But that's why it's a pipe dream.

      Plus, they could totally bring Cole back and not have it be fan service. Just do the alternate timeline where Cole becomes the Beast.

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    • Nah to the last part, he'd be far too over powered as a protagonist, and we'd run into the wall the second game had: The Beast was a huge let down as a final boss. He had two games and a comic of proper build up, only for a twenty second button spam final fight. 

      I'd say ignore Second Son, but keep Fetch, the only actually good character from that game (or hell, keep First Light, just ditch Second Son) and make a totally different story.

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    • Cole doesn't have to be the protagonist. There would absolutely be conduits who hate what Cole did. Forced evolution and genocide? Pretty despicable.

      Of course, he doesn't have to be the antagonist either. Playing as Kuo could be fun.

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    • Then we just get the same problem we had with Assassins Creed 3 or Mafia 3. Where people would rather be playing as the side character (or ex-main character) rather than the main characters.

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    • Not necessarily. Ubisoft and 2K have thousands of employees, but that doesn't mean that they have the creative (or even writing) prowess of Sucker Punch. If anybody could pull it off, it would be them. How often do people regard the writing in Assassin's Creed as poor? Not enough, in my opinion, but plenty. But that is rarely said of inFAMOUS or Sly Cooper. The writing is clever, even if the story (as with Second Son and even First Light to an extent) isn't great. As you said, ignore Second Son but keep Fetch. Second Son may have just been a misfortunate fluke and Fetch is a sign of that. Let's hope so, anyway.

      This is all hypothetical, anyway.

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    • Chris6d wrote:
      Not sure if people are losing the spirit, but I know for a fact they're not loosing the spirit. Not to sound like a jerk, but just sayin'.
      • Smacks himself on the head. I can't believe I made such an idiotic mistake. As part of the grammer police, I'm ashamed.
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    • The Black Raven yes the name is from the legend wrote:

      • Smacks himself on the head. I can't believe I made such an idiotic mistake. As part of the grammer police, I'm ashamed.

      Ahem. "Grammar."

      :D

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    • Teenbat wrote:
      I just want an inFAMOUS collection on PS4. All three PS3 games running at 60 FPS and in 1080p (or 4K on PS4 Pro) just like the Uncharted Collection. I would cream my jeans if that was announced.

      A pipe dream of mine is to have them port the first game to the second's engine, similar to what they did with Metro 2033 when they released the Redux for 8th gen consoles. Won't happen... But that's why it's a pipe dream.

      Plus, they could totally bring Cole back and not have it be fan service. Just do the alternate timeline where Cole becomes the Beast.

      Doing an alternative timeline is something that has been said before, but I don't think it would work. It seems like the plotline would have to be very forced in, and whether he comes back that way or not, bringing Cole back removes the place of possibly a new and interesting character. No new cool villian, or new conduit with an awesome backstory, just someone we've seen before. Also, doing alternative timelines, parallel universes and time travel is often seen as a cheap move to get characters back. They also really p*** people who obsess over inacurate time travel, (like me,) off.


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    • Teenbat wrote:

      The Black Raven yes the name is from the legend wrote:

      • Smacks himself on the head. I can't believe I made such an idiotic mistake. As part of the grammer police, I'm ashamed.

      Ahem. "Grammar."

      What is wrong with me today?

      :D


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    • "Inaccurate time travel," as if time travel is a real thing. There are many varieties of theoretical time travel, and totally disregarding entire events is absolutely reasonable when using multi-verse theory.

      Sucker Punch, after releasing inFAMOUS 2, was open to continuing the series with the evil ending, so it wouldn't be forced at all. They likely planned out a story for that timeline before the game was even finished. (They said as much when talking about how they looked at the trophy data to determine which path to take as canon.)

      Also, you typed your response within my quote, so it can be hard to determine what is you and what is me.

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    • To me, it doesn't matter who the main protagonist is whether it's Cole, Fetch, someone completely different, or hell even Delsin. I just think most of us can agree we want a good inFamous game with a good, solid story that rivals the first two and that doesn't ignore the events in those games

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    • Teenbat wrote:
      "Inaccurate time travel," as if time travel is a real thing. There are many varieties of theoretical time travel, and totally disregarding entire events is absolutely reasonable when using multi-verse theory.

      Sucker Punch, after releasing inFAMOUS 2, was open to continuing the series with the evil ending, so it wouldn't be forced at all. They likely planned out a story for that timeline before the game was even finished. (They said as much when talking about how they looked at the trophy data to determine which path to take as canon.)

      Also, you typed your response within my quote, so it can be hard to determine what is you and what is me.



      If they continued it from inFAMOUS 2, following from the evil ending, that would be fine. They wouldn't be forcing it. I'm talking about making Cole come back in something like a new SS. If they put in something like time travel or resurrection it would be like deus ex machina. Just an unlikely event occuring for the sake of a forced plot point that is not needed.

      Also on the time travel thing, I'm not just saying it would be inaccurate because of alternative timelines. There are other issues that arise that I can't be bothered to go into detail about, such as how it could result with people dying in space, (that takes a bit of explaining). I might talk about it another time but I've had a long day.

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    • I know what you mean by that. The earth moves through space, so if you time travel, the earth would be in a different place. But who says the earth's gravity can't just pull you with it? Again, time travel isn't real, so that sort of thing doesn't really matter.

      Anyway, yeah, that's what I meant by having Cole in it, continuing from the evil ending of inFAMOUS 2.

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    • Teenbat wrote:
      I know what you mean by that. The earth moves through space, so if you time travel, the earth would be in a different place. But who says the earth's gravity can't just pull you with it? Again, time travel isn't real, so that sort of thing doesn't really matter.

      Anyway, yeah, that's what I meant by having Cole in it, continuing from the evil ending of inFAMOUS 2.



      Ok, cool. Thanks for contributing. I like your idea.

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    • We already know that the good ending is the canon (for both inFAMOUS and inFAMOUS 2), SP even said it. So why they would change it now and go a completely different route is beyond me. Maybe the "evil" ending for inFAMOUS: Second Son will be chosen, as that won't affect the inFAMOUS universe in a big light, but I'd prefer it if they just stuck with good endings as the canon.

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    • Good Karma's always been canon, and as long as three times the amount of people do the good ending (or do the good side exclusively), it will always be that way. It was calculated for every one person who did the evil path in the first two InFAMOUS games, three people did the Good path. 

      This isn't the Deus Ex series where the developers can mix and match the three endings to each game together into the sequel so "Every ending is canon, yet no ending is canon" or Mass Effect where player choice like that is carried over. They go with the majority.

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    • They went with the good ending for inFAMOUS 2 and brought us SS. I'm not saying going for the good ending is why SS was bad, however due to SS reputation, they might try and do another follow up from inFAMOUS 2 but following the evil ending. To see how things pan out, or would of panned out.

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    • Yeah no...they're not.

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    • No, they aren't. But nothing says that they can't.

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    • "Hey, you know how the majority of you did this path? Well screw you, we're going with the minority! :) "

      ~Sucker Punch if they chose the evil path as canon.

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    • I doubt the majority went with the evil ending for inFAMOUS: Second Son, unless they felt that Delsin wouldn't really make an impact in the evil ending, unlike Cole's evil ending, which was major, SS's evil ending was very minor. (Wow, that was a long sentence. Maybe too long.) However, I doubt any of us work for SP, so we don't know what the majority is, but I guess we can assume it's good.

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    • Actually, yes, we do know what the majority is. Sucker Punch just uses trophy data (because that is the only thing they can use). Just go onto your trophies and look at the evil and good ending trophies for Second Son. It will tell you the collection percentage for each. That is the exact data that Sucker Punch sees.

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    • but you dont know this is exactly how they do it so how do you know sucka

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    • Yes, they said that this was exactly how they do it. Sucka.

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    • Exactly @Teenbat and Chris. 

      Sucker Punch is not, and would never just decide to screw over the majority of players and make the evil path canon just to make the new games different from the old ones. And like I said, this isn't Deus Ex where they can combine the two endings into one, and this isn't Mass Effect where player choices like that can be carried over to the sequel.

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    • Jim Logan wrote:
      Exactly @Teenbat and Chris. 

      Sucker Punch is not, and would never just decide to screw over the majority of players and make the evil path canon just to make the new games different from the old ones. And like I said, this isn't Deus Ex where they can combine the two endings into one, and this isn't Mass Effect where player choices like that can be carried over to the sequel.



      How would choosing the evil ending screwing over the majority. I understand that it's simply annoying to not have your ending followed, however it wouldn't be ruining the series, negatively affecting the overall narrative or making the games any worse. Additionally, if they purposely made a sequel to what was the majority rule, even though it would make no sense and completely contridict everything that happened in the end, it would be rubbish. Luckily, SP would never do that... oh, right, SS exists.

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    • "How would choosing the evil ending screw over the majority"

      RIGHT THERE.

      For every one player who chose the evil path, three players choose the good. Hence why the Good Karma path is always canon. If they went with the evil path, it would be a giant middle finger to the majority.

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    • Jim Logan wrote:
      "How would choosing the evil ending screw over the majority"

      RIGHT THERE.

      For every one player who chose the evil path, three players choose the good. Hence why the Good Karma path is always canon. If they went with the evil path, it would be a giant middle finger to the majority.


      Yeah, you still haven't explained why it is screwing the majority. You pretty much just said the same thing but this time you explained what majority means, which I already knew.

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    • To be honsest I feel that if SP chooses the evil ending as the canon for the next game, that would really suck (I doubt they would), but I'd probably still play the game and like it anyway. I mean, it's gotta be better than SS... right?

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    • Because it's saying "What you did doesn't matter, we're going to cater to the minority because "edgy"." 

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    • Jim Logan wrote:
      Because it's saying "What you did doesn't matter, we're going to cater to the minority because "edgy"." 



      What makes it edgy? The ending should be chosen on simply what works the best to give a good sequel. For example, SS followed from the good ending of inFAMOUS 2 because Majority rules. I would say that I don't mind this, and I don't, apart from the fact that if you follow from the good ending it means all the conduits are dead. You can tell me how the RFI didn't work properly because Zeke broke it, or that it only killed conduits close to Cole, but that is all speculation and theory. SP never confirmed why some conduits just happened to stay alive because frankly they couldn't care less. I'm not saying they don't care about their games, but this they did not care about. They just cared about not having to deal with the majority whining and bitching because their ending isn't cannon. Following the majority caused one of the biggest plot holes in all of inFAMOUS history. I get why people would be annoyed if SS was following an ending very few chose. I get that it is nice to see the world as a lovely place in the end, and to know that your character was a good man. However, what is nice is much less important than the actual plot.

      Wow, I wrote more than I intended. My point is made though.

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    • Canon*

      Not cannon.

      A cannon fires canon balls. 

      Canon = Continuity.

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    • Pointing out a grammatical error doesn't refute his argument.

      Who cares about what is and isn't canon? Why couldn't Sucker Punch be like "Here is the story we didn't get to tell"? I'm certain that the "majority would be absolutely fine with that.

      By the way many people played through both karmas, so that ratio isn't totally accurate.

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    • Who cares what is or isn't canon? Yeah, tell that to the Star Wars community, they take that crap seriously.

      If they ever wanted to do a "What if" spin-off path, yeah sure whatever. But you have to realize the wrote themselves into a corner with both endings. One everyone's dead, the other, Cole's an unstoppable GOD. 

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    • The Beast was beaten by two conduits and a couple guys with RPGs. Cole wouldn't be unstoppable by himself; it's his army of conduit buddies that pose the real threat.

      I'm not saying I necessarily want the game, but it is a hypothetical possibility.

      And there are plenty of Star Wars fans that don't care about canon. Look at all the scrubs that actually liked Episode VII.

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    • The Beast took a nuke to the face and rebuilt himself. Even after Cole became Overcharged, he would've eventually healed himself and kept fighting, the only thing that killed him was the RFI. And those RPGs were obviously doing nothing to him.


      The people who say they don't *care* about the canon of Star Wars are the same ones that SUDDENLY became fans after Disney bought Star Wars.

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    • True on that one.

      Is it bad too say that the two new Star Wars films are my least favorite, even beat out by the prequels? Because it's the truth.

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    • You do realise that following from the evil ending doesn't mean you'd play as Cole. It means you'd follow from the evil ending. Also I was pretty tired when writing my last post so sorry about the spelling error.

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    • It's fine. 

      "Doesn't mean you'd play as Cole."

      Yeah, let's see...what happened last time there was a sequel you didn't play as Cole? Oh right

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    • Jim Logan wrote:
      It's fine. 

      "Doesn't mean you'd play as Cole."

      Yeah, let's see...what happened last time there was a sequel you didn't play as Cole? Oh right


      Not playing as Cole wasn't the problem in SS, it was that we were playing a bad character. If they wrote a new and interesting character who wasn't Cole, it would be fine. Delsin was just an arse and a poorly written character.

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    • I don't think he was poorly written. The writing in Second Son was pretty good. He was just lame.

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    • SS didn't expand upon Delsin enough. In the first inFAMOUS, Cole was a well-developed character by the end, much more developed than Delsin was at the end of SS. This may represent why we see Delsin as a poorly-written character, while in reality it wasn't that he was poorly-written, he was just underdeveloped. Now, maybe SP decided not to develop Delsin fully because they wanted him to return in a sequel, like Cole did, but I doubt this was the case.

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    • Chris6d wrote:
      SS didn't expand upon Delsin enough. In the first inFAMOUS, Cole was a well-developed character by the end, much more developed than Delsin was at the end of SS. This may represent why we see Delsin as a poorly-written character, while in reality it wasn't that he was poorly-written, he was just underdeveloped. Now, maybe SP decided not to develop Delsin fully because they wanted him to return in a sequel, like Cole did, but I doubt this was the case.


      Fair pont.

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