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  • Delsin Rowe from inFAMOUS: Second Son vs. Alex Mercer from Prototype. Battle is set in New York City, Alex's home. Opponents will fight until the death. Keep in mind each opponent's powers, strengths, and weaknesses.

    Post your opinions in the comments section and provide backup. (Example: Don't just say "Alex will win because Delsin sucks" or whatever. Provide evidence, such as "Times Square may do Delsin good with all the neon and video.) And don't add unnecessary things, like Cole MacGrath or James Heller, this is between Delsin and Alex ONLY.

    Now don't hold back; post ya heart out!

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    • One thing's for sure: We can leave out Delsin's Power Copying ability, since Second Son specifically demonstrates that Delsin can only copy from Prime Conduits.

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    • Nice thread, Chris! Good point with all the neon and video in Times Square. I honestly think Delsin is better, but he has no chance against Alex's claws.

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    • i agree with what 100.2.87.52 said becase delsin is inexperienced and alex mercer is hungry for answers and a ruthless killer alex will use the klaws and chop delsins head off. then he will belch / burp on it.

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    • 24.185.99.116 wrote: i agree with what 100.2.87.52 said becase delsin is inexperienced and alex mercer is hungry for answers and a ruthless killer alex will use the klaws and chop delsins head off. then he will belch / burp on it.

      Ok

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    • Sorry, but I'm gonna have to say Alex due to the fact that I love inFAMOUS but Alex is ruthless.

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    • Are we exclusively talking about Prototype 1 Alex or can we include feats from Prototype 2 Alex?

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    • Well Delsin only had one game to develop his powers, so only Prototype 1.

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    • I see.

      Are we talking about a Good Karma!Delsin, an Evil!Karma Delsin, or a Composite of both Karmas!Delsin?

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    • Both, I guess

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    • Yeah, definitely Alex. Delsin's just kinda inexperienced and immature compared to Alex, who, although is starting out with his powers too, is ruthless and merciless and will kill Delsin with one finger.

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    • My opinion is #@$%&#&%@ &%#$?@. Oh, yeah, I started this topic, so I'm not revealing my opinion. That's for you people to do.

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    • Alex Mercer would defeat the Beast with ease, let alone Delsin.

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    • Yeah but provide backup

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    • I think Delsin would win, but not by much. I have never finished Prototype, so i don't know lots about Alex, but I have played Second Son. Delsin's different powers are what gives him an edge, as each one is different form the others, giving him the element of surprise, (i.e If he's shooting smoke at Alex and all of a sudden drains Neon and is running at super-speed)

      Alex on the other hand has his blades, claws, armor and shield, not to mention his natural abilites like speed, strength and agility are all enhanced to a point beyond any conduit. The New York enviroment gives him a bit of an advantage, as he can escape to the taller buildings and it's his home turf.

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    • Alex doesn't have ranged powers though, so Delsin can get him from far range. But Alex is much faster than Delsin. Hmm, I don't know. Great topic, Chris.

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    • Thanks, 100.2.87.52. Get other people to join this topic, it's for all.

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    • Considering that Mercer survived a NUKE, I'm pretty sure Delsin won't make a scratch on him.

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    • Although Mercer is stronger, Delsin is more fast and agile, but then again Mercer can disguise himself as anybody which would easily let him harm Delsin

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    • True, true

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    • Plus, if we're counting his Prototype 2 incarnation, he had an army of mutants to sic on Delsin.

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    • Aazelion wrote:
      Plus, if we're counting his Prototype 2 incarnation, he had an army of mutants to sic on Delsin.

      Judging from the information that I've looked up on Prototype, I'm starting to feel sorry for Delsin already.....

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    • Delsin has no chance. Cole wouldn't either, I think.

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    • 100.2.87.52 wrote: Delsin has no chance. Cole wouldn't either, I think.

      Why are you bringing up Cole? Did you read the OP? No Cole.

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    • Aazelion wrote:
      Considering that Mercer survived a NUKE, I'm pretty sure Delsin won't make a scratch on him.

      Didn't Alex have to eat that crow in order to heal from his nuke-related injuries, though?

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    • 174.3.164.152 wrote:

      Aazelion wrote:
      Considering that Mercer survived a NUKE, I'm pretty sure Delsin won't make a scratch on him.

      Didn't Alex have to eat that crow in order to heal from his nuke-related injuries, though?

      Ew.

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    • Chris6d wrote:

      174.3.164.152 wrote:

      Aazelion wrote:
      Considering that Mercer survived a NUKE, I'm pretty sure Delsin won't make a scratch on him.
      Didn't Alex have to eat that crow in order to heal from his nuke-related injuries, though?
      Ew.

      Sorry for mentioning squick/nightmare fuel.

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    • Alex may have the brute strength advantage but, Delsin has the variety,  range, and speed. It is stated that neon can hit light-speed. Also he can easily heal himself unlike Alex who has to consume things, as opposed to Delsin who can absorb smoke, neon, video, and concrete at almost any location.

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    • 174.3.164.152 wrote:

      Chris6d wrote:

      174.3.164.152 wrote:

      Aazelion wrote:
      Considering that Mercer survived a NUKE, I'm pretty sure Delsin won't make a scratch on him.
      Didn't Alex have to eat that crow in order to heal from his nuke-related injuries, though?
      Ew.

      Sorry for mentioning squick/nightmare fuel.

      Nah, I'm not bothered by it. Just didn't get that far in the game and didn't know Alex ate CROWS. But, he's Alex, so you never know. I'm pretty sure everyone is saying Alex would beat Delsin at this point.

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    • "If it's between a merciful savior and a merciless warrior, pick one."
      — Signor Fabrizio

      My favorite quote

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    • 100.2.87.52 wrote:

      "If it's between a merciful savior and a merciless warrior, pick one."
      — Signor Fabrizio

      My favorite quote

      Never heard of that. You probably made it up.

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    • I didn't.

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    • Chris6d wrote:

      174.3.164.152 wrote:

      Chris6d wrote:

      174.3.164.152 wrote:


      Aazelion wrote:
      Considering that Mercer survived a NUKE, I'm pretty sure Delsin won't make a scratch on him.
      Didn't Alex have to eat that crow in order to heal from his nuke-related injuries, though?
      Ew.
      Sorry for mentioning squick/nightmare fuel.
      Nah, I'm not bothered by it. Just didn't get that far in the game and didn't know Alex ate CROWS. But, he's Alex, so you never know. I'm pretty sure everyone is saying Alex would beat Delsin at this point.

      I see. On the plus side, the crow-consuming was only one scene.

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    • Why does Gary in SpongeBob burp then meow

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    • 68.4.213.713 wrote: Why does Gary in SpongeBob burp then meow

      What does that have do with this conversation? Let's get back to the OP.

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    • I think delsin would win but only because delsin would be smart he'd probably just absorb neon and run away and take shots at Alex from a distance and then he'd probably drain video and spam the hellfire blades while staying invisible then just use a karmic bomb.

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    • Prime conduit wrote:
      I think delsin would win but only because delsin would be smart he'd probably just absorb neon and run away and take shots at Alex from a distance and then he'd probably drain video and spam the hellfire blades while staying invisible then just use a karmic bomb.

      Yeah, but... dude / dudette, have you seen Alex Mercer?

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    • Chris6d wrote:

      Prime conduit wrote:
      I think delsin would win but only because delsin would be smart he'd probably just absorb neon and run away and take shots at Alex from a distance and then he'd probably drain video and spam the hellfire blades while staying invisible then just use a karmic bomb.

      Yeah, but... dude / dudette, have you seen Alex Mercer?

      Ya I own prototype 1 and 2 and I still think delsin can win mainly because delsin can just disintegrate Alex with smoke and neon delsin just has to attack and evade, and we know prototypes are weak to fire (I.e exploding cars) so with smoke and neon delsin has this in the bag.

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    • Wow I never realized that other Wiki contributor, 100.2.87.52, has almost the EXACT same IP address! (I think he lives in America, I live in the Faroe Islands btw)

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    • 100.2.97.179 wrote:
      Wow I never realized that other Wiki contributor, 100.2.87.52, has almost the EXACT same IP address! (I think he lives in America, I live in the Faroe Islands btw)

      Me too! How do we have the same IP address? That's cray-cray

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    • 100.2.216.239 wrote:
      100.2.97.179 wrote:
      Wow I never realized that other Wiki contributor, 100.2.87.52, has almost the EXACT same IP address! (I think he lives in America, I live in the Faroe Islands btw)
      Me too! How do we have the same IP address? That's cray-cray

      Well almost, I mean. Mine's 100.2.216.239, yours is 100.2.97.179, and teh other one is 100.2.87.52. WOOOOWOWWW

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    • Alex Mercer would win, he's awesome sauce. inFAMOUS is better, but Alex is stronger than Delsin, no thought sbout it

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    • *about

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    • Nice.

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    • Well, after a bit of research on Alex Mercer, and as much as I love infamous, I think it's safe to say Alex. Well Delsin would stand a chance with his multiple powers, especially with neon, and how it's practically a sniper, Alex would probably just charge Delsin, and consume him, which would just make him more powerful, and then probably just kill everyone he sees.

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    • I believe Alex would win, although he has several easily exploitable flaws he more than makes up for it with deliberate striking and his agility, not to mention he could copy Delsin's abilities, whereas Delsin could not do the same to Alex.

      And this gave me juice on Delsin vs. Peter Petrelli (Heroes), Delsin's power is actually based upon Peter, so I'd like to say it might just be good.

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    • Many people say Alex would win, some say Delsin. Let's keep this going, though.

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    • mercer is better because prototype is better than infamous on all levels

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    • Back this up.

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    • alex mercer has long range wepons too,(whipfist) alex also has armour that is fucking awsome ,mercer is faster too, i have both games and when i saw the building and compared equil length mercer is faster, mercer can fly jump insanely high and is faster that a fucking missle.also in a city mercer can keep eating people while he has his armour on. the fire drop delson has wont kill mercer at all. mercer also has an army of infected delson is dead no matter what

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    • 50.30.84.5 wrote: Alex may have the brute strength advantage but, Delsin has the variety,  range, and speed. It is stated that neon can hit light-speed. Also he can easily heal himself unlike Alex who has to consume things, as opposed to Delsin who can absorb smoke, neon, video, and concrete at almost any location.

      alex has a lot of variety aswell

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    • Let's see:

      Strength: Alex can throw a 70 ton tank as if it was a small brick. 

      Armor: shield can stop hypersound uranium rod(at it's own expense) from 120mm tank cannon.

      Overall durability: enough to survive second stage of nuclear detonation(somewhere around 300-500 meters away from ground zero). Can rebuild itself from single cell.

      Regeneration: instant. Biomass simply closes in on any wounds as if it was liquid, he also lacks any viable organs, bones and so on. Biomass itself can be consumed even from bacteries and viruses in AIR MOISTURE. If the actual fight happens anywhere in Earth's biosphere and not on the Moon or Mars...

      Speed: can outrun military helicopters and missiles easily, reaction time allows to dodge usual gunfire as well as said uranium rods. Actual max speed during P1 is somewhere in between as dodging doesn't require actual speeds to match. Plus there is no way to speed during actual air dash move, only that it's accelerating him faster then tracking ability of human eye. However has MASSIVE issues with manueverability because of physics. Several tons of weight going at such speeds have turning radius and braking distance of a cargo train(unless grabs onto something or uses said dash).

      Vitality: never shown any signs of tiring down.

      Range: can engage MELEE at up to 100m(maybe up to 200 or so. The max ranges you couldhijack a heli were quite significant) radius thanks to devastators and whipfist. Thrown projectiles can go for several miles. Pinpoint accuracy with any form of ranged weapons even in critical situations.


      And that is what we see. Not theoretical implementations like "match speed of light" only mentioned as flavor text speculations of some scientist off screen(besides it can't, someone who had written that stuff has no idea how neon signs work apparently).

      Want theoretical implementation not limited to first game? Whitelight, viral blast that started second outbreak and mass consume used in the end of P2 by Heller when he gets some of Alex's powers. Combined they give you a theoretical ability to create self sustaining chain reaction that will spread over all biosphere of Earth at enourmous speeds. And that's before other obvious implementations like going all out Tyrannid/Zerg/Borg on everything.

      Objections? 80.94.160.227 10:07, June 8, 2017 (UTC)

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      • no INGAME way of MEASURE speed during air dash.

      I hate when editor derps out and swallows whole words. And I definetly need to start rereading my own words before posting them. 80.94.160.227 10:11, June 8, 2017 (UTC)

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    • Wow, that's great. Lots of info and backed up. Anyone else agree or disagree?

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    • However if we'd be talking about theoretical limits of Prototypes vs Prime Conduits(minus instances of Conduit "consumption" and power transfer), Cole/Kessler is the strongest one(yeah, even stronger then The Beast) as he has control over all forms of electromagnetism and as such, all the matter and thus reality itself. He's basically Captain Atom/Dr.Manhattan while Alex is based on likes of Hulk(because it was supposed to be Hulk game before license was lost)/Doomsday/Venom/Clayface.

      Interesting theory based on Cole's powers I've heard back in the days of first game: Kessler can't time travel, but he's not aware of this. What he did was basically massive reality warp by means of destroying current reality and creating new one from it's remains at the exact moment he believes he remembers. But due to relativity of end results he can't know the difference and thus doesn't know that he can create universe where neither of this ever happened and he can be happy with his family.

      80.94.160.227 10:35, June 12, 2017 (UTC)

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    • w00h

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    • I've had an hour to think about it, and here's what I came up with. Normally, I hate this sort of thing because so many characters just can't compare so easily. But Conduits/Prototypes are surprisingly similar. First, some rules.

      First: This is a simulated experiment; we're running the same scenario 100 times

      Second: Both Alex and Delsin can absorb as much as material/biomass as needed (theoretically unlimited supply), but its packaged up in draw sources/civilians.

      Third: Both Alex and Delsin are fully upgraded and confined within what they are like in their game, just before the final battle. Delsin doesn't have concrete (he has no draw sources, so its fine) and Alex hasn't fought the Supreme Hunter yet.

      Fourth: Delsin's biology prevents Mercer from just simply breaking his spine and absorbing him. Mercer can't be Insta-killed either.

      Fifth: Delsin starts off using Smoke.

      At first, I thought Alex would be a sure win, and most likely he'd be able to win more times than lose. However, as we're running this battle 100 times, he definitely will not win every single time. If Delsin tries to take Mercer on in close combat, he's going to die. Almost all of Alex's offensive powers (every one but Whipfist) is designed for hand to hand combat, and while Delsin could probably survive a few punches, Mercer could probably kill him within a span of 18 seconds, maybe longer. The first 30 seconds of the battle are the most important; if Delsin doesn't get killed and can realize the threat Alex is, then he can form a strategy that will allow him to live. If Delsin manages that, who wins the battle is suddenly up in the air.

      Assuming Delsin sticks to hit, run and cover tactics, he has a chance.

      No one can deny that Infamous and Prototype are similar, and so are the characters. In terms of raw strength, defense, durability and endurance, Mercer is superior. Mobility is a bit iffy; while Mercer can scale a building in a very small amount of time and glide, Delsin is capable of faster speed (Mercer's roughly 18 meters/second to however fast Delsin's dashes can have him go), can teleport through smoke vents, and has far better air mobility/time than Mercer. Mercer can run full speed as long as he wants, while Delsin is limited. Delsin's tricks might allow him to escape and gain the life saving distance he needs.

      The weirdest match is with their healing abilities; Delsin is actually a better healer (drawing from a source is a full heal), but this is offset by his lessened durability. However, Delsin can also heal to full health without drawing, which gives him a major advantage over Mercer in that regard. Alex, on the other hand, either needs to wait for partial regen, or take his time to tackle and devour some civilian (which leaves him a sitting duck).

      Delsin has a limited amount of energy available, while Mercer theoretically has infinite use of his powers (except Devastators). However, Delsin can quickly recharge if he must.

      If Mercer gets Delsin into melee range, Delsin's only hope is to use either Sulfur Bomb or Stasis Bubble. If he gets grabbed, maybe he could escape by turning into Smoke/Neon/Hard light particles. If he uses Sulfur Bomb, he has a very short window to flee while Mercer switches to Thermal Vision.

      Delsin's best bet is to wear Mercer down with constant kiting. Delsin's main advantage is range. While Cannonball (think of it as Prototype's version of Sonic's Homing Attack) and Whipfist give him range, he needs an unbroken line of sight and/or Targeting to catch Delsin.

      Delsin needs to be ruthless, and not give Mercer a second's rest unless he's fleeing. Alex has a very aggressive fighting style, so he likely won't flee, just dodge. If Alex uses his Shield Power, he'll be at a slight movement decrease, but will be able to tank a few attacks, making Delsin waste precious time and energy. If Mercer uses his Armor power, he can't catch Delsin, and while damage will be reduced significantly, he's still vulnerable to being knocked around (if you've ever played Prototype, then you know this is basically your biggest enemy). Delsin needs to take opportunity to strike Mercer hard and fast when Alex is feeding off civilians.

      If Delsin by some miracle manages to get Mercer on his back and get to Alex before the Prototype can stand back up and use Neon's restraints on him, the battle is essentially over, as Alex is immobilized and Delsin can now go full throttle on him.

      If not, Delsin must try to wear his foe down by use of repeated long ranged attacks and summoning minions if he's using Video. Shroud of Invisibility MIGHT override Mercer's Thermal Vision, but I can't be sure of this. If it does, this gives Delsin a huge advantage.

      If Alex tries the stealth route (consuming a civilian and transforming into them) to try and sneak up on Delsin, Alex could get a sneak attack on him at close range. As stated previously, Delsin cannot win close combat with Mercer.

      The final challenge is Mercer's Adrenaline Rush power. For the uninformed, this basically gives Alex a few seconds of Invincibility when he enters low health, as well as allowing him to pull off a Devastator (essentially, a super attack like Ionic powers). If Mercer uses this to his advantage, he can surprise Delsin and kill him if the range is close enough.

      Short Version: Delsin can win, but only if he's lucky, plays it smart, and doesn't get close enough to Alex for the Prototype to destroy him.

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    • Too many "if"s, don't you think.

      And again it all comes back to:

      1)what do you understand under Mercer's "melee range"? As I've said whipfist, devastators and ground spike easily strike at targets beyond 100 meters away. From standing position. Do you consider two steps away as a distance where two normal irl humans can still be actually "locked in melee" evaluating each other before next move? Well, for metahumans those two steps might take completly another meaning. And he can jump at you from much higher distances then those.

      2)what do you understand under "confined to what they are in the game"? I guess the point about neon restraints is based solely on the fact that ingame Mercer's shapeshifting is limited to humanoid human form? Well, sorry to dissapoint you, but then Delsin's powers have range problems as the game gives them all max range at which they still deal damage far below viewing distance. Platform limitations ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ If you want we can also go into ingame numbers and just compare how much health and damage they both have compared to ingame assault rifles(which are a very EASY to compare factor).

      3)where do you get laughable numbers like 18 m/s(less than 70 km/h)? How about 100+ m/s he makes ingame when outrunning AH-64? And since when smoke is "teleporting" instead of flowing through vents?

      80.94.160.227 11:21, June 26, 2017 (UTC)

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    • You do realize you don't need to sign your comments right?

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    • There is some debate over whether or not smoke allows Delsin to truly "teleport".

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    • Chris6d wrote:
      There is some debate over whether or not smoke allows Delsin to truly "teleport".


      It doesn't. After all it's pyrokinesis. How could it be?

      If anything, it is "video" that is supposed to allow it... in fact it does as Delsin can relay himself as signal in presence of proper equipement and rebuild himself. Eugene can outright travel with datastream. In fact if he had proper engineering expirience, Eugene would be most powerfull Conduit in Second Son(especially since Delsin's borrowed powers progress only though energy spikes from outside sources and not expirience).

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    • ^here, unsighned.

      Unlike this one:P

      80.94.160.227 06:02, June 27, 2017 (UTC)

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    • You don't have to sign your comments. Also, think about this: Delsin can mutilate humans in one hit, whereas this is impossible in inFAMOUS (obviously so inFAMOUS would get a Teen rating). But it just shows how powerful Alex is, and why he'd win.

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    • I don't have to do it, but I'm USED to it. It happens on its own when I finish my comments. And you, people, are making it out as if I'm breaking the law or at least some rules.

      Well, Delsin is using either an accelerated by unknown means glowing from heat heavy steel chain or an outright lightsaber. He doesn't have strength to break armored vehicles easily, but I would have been surprised if normal people would stand more then one hit from either.

      Cole was canonically good and was using basically electified bat. No wonder people survived and some could take a few hits.

      80.94.160.227 06:40, June 28, 2017 (UTC) :P

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    • 74.108.224.146 wrote:
      But it just shows how powerful Alex is, and why he'd win.


      Does it? Care to share then maybe? Because when it comes to theoretical applications of powers, I've already said that I'm getting lost... and that Cole should be basically Captain Atom.

      Can Alex produce ammunition or weapons inside his body if he has the needed materials? Can he infect plants? Does his control stop on cellar level or he can influence DNA in theory too? Can he divide himself into multiple bodies that share one consciousness by means of hive mind? How much biomass he consumes not as means of "healing", but as sustenance, food? Is he nearing the peak of his powers and his progress thus is slowing down or on the contrary he can evolve without limitation and the process is accelerating? Can he directly interface with technology? Is it possible to kill him if some cells still survive somewhere?

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    • I see no problem with signing your comments at the end, but it's just an extra, unnecessary step. Not sure if Jim or the others are getting mad, but there's no rule saying you can't sign comments, unless it's a talk page (which it's not).

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    • 80.94.160.227 wrote:

      74.108.224.146 wrote:
      But it just shows how powerful Alex is, and why he'd win.


      Does it? Care to share then maybe? Because when it comes to theoretical applications of powers, I've already said that I'm getting lost... and that Cole should be basically Captain Atom.

      But he's not. And this isn't about Cole, it's about Delsin vs Alex. Look at the OP, it's directly mentioned.

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    • The OP literally says "And don't add unnecessary things, like Cole MacGrath or James Heller, this is between Delsin and Alex ONLY." I see if you're mentioning Cole for comparison purposes, but.

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    • My last post relied on making comparisons based on how Infamous and Prototype had similar game mechanics. Also, when I said "Limited to what they could do in the game", I mean anything they couldn't do in their respective games, they could not do in this fight.

      Also, the reason I have them both with their powers before their final mission is because if they had the abilities displayed afterwards, Alex would win by virtue of being able to tank a nuclear blast and eventually reform from a small chunk of biomass.

      As for "Teleporting" through smoke vents, I'd always thought he uses the smoke as a path for his teleport (which would be why he goes through the vents far faster than his Smoke Dash".

      Also, the 18 meters per second number is admittingly an estimate; 18 m/s is roughly 40 miles per hour, which seemed to be the speed Alex was moving at when sprinting. I believe that's also the speed needed to run up a wall, but I may be wrong.

      Finally, Whipfist has range, yes, but it can be dodged. Alex Mercer's Cannonball technique is probably more deadly by virtue of its homing function.

      EDIT: I'm also not sure where the 100 m/s number comes from. That's over 200 miles per hour, and I don't remember him ever going nearly that fast.

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    • I mention Cole because he's an example of HOW powerfull Conduits can be and how THEORETICAL implementations of powers in his case basically would make him literal God. And thus he's a great example of problem of "theoretical implementations".

      Delsin has no power of his own outside of "sharing is caring" which is useless here. How can we talk about possible implementations if for Delsin those powers are "prostethics"? He can't even evolve them without outside power boosting. The same way whole DUP is using Augustine's power. Just compare it to the scope of Eugene's powers we see, that guy can go full out Green Lantern/Matrix's Neo/Tron/Inception on you.


      To HS664:

      At which speed do you think the smoke is being ventilated out?

      Alex can outrun AH-64(attack helicopter you can pilot ingame. "Apache") at it's max speed which you can find out in the open. 18 m/s on the other hand is not enough to catch up to a taxi.

      Cannonbal is a lunge at the enemy, whipfist is an attack from standing position. Difference was already pointed out and you're free to reread it(or read it first time).

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    • 80.94.160.227 wrote: To HS664:

      At which speed do you think the smoke is being ventilated out?

      Alex can outrun AH-64(attack helicopter you can pilot ingame. "Apache") at it's max speed which you can find out in the open. 18 m/s on the other hand is not enough to catch up to a taxi.

      Cannonbal is a lunge at the enemy, whipfist is an attack from standing position. Difference was already pointed out and you're free to reread it(or read it first time).

      Ah yes, I remember piloting those around was always fun. And what taxi goes 40 mph? Unless it's on the highway, but not on the streets. Maybe I'm thinking New York taxis, as that's where the game is set, and also where I'm from xD

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    • Do we know if the Helicopters in Prototype are going at full speed? I highly doubt it on the basis that it'd be impractical to move at high speeds in an urban environment, especially when your target is human sized.

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    • You can pilot them and the max speed you can get from them with ace class pilot skills is lower then Alex's top speed. Any MORE of your "objections"?

      Once again I propose you to compare Delsin's damage and survivability to ingame assault rifles used against him(G36 by DUP and AKM copy by Akumas) with those of Alex(Blackwatch is using M416 that uses the same round as G36) if you insist so much.

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    • Taxi driver running for his life makes even more than just 40mph. Not on foot of course, somehow I felt that I need to clarify that with you, guys;)

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    • Well I know in New York, the street speed limit is 25, so no taxis go 40 mph unless they're on the highway. The highway speed limit is usually 45. Not sure about other places, though.

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    • What do taxis have to do with this

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    • Well, it became a measure of speed here because someone had a mistake of forgetting an extra 0 in their calculations.

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    • Apparently Alex with inhuman difficulties can reach a speed of a calm taxi driver on a highway:\

      @Chris6d

      Only 40km/h in the city and 70 km/h on highway? That's straight up fascism, guys. We have 20 km/h more in both cases here.

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    • Where are you from?

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    • Central Europe. In fact it hardly can get any more central:D

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    • 80.94.160.227 wrote:
      Apparently Alex with inhuman difficulties can reach a speed of a calm taxi driver on a highway:\

      @Chris6d

      Only 40km/h in the city and 70 km/h on highway? That's straight up fascism, guys. We have 20 km/h more in both cases here.

      Well to be honest, NYC's always loaded with traffic. One time there was a race between a bicycle and a Ferrari, through the streets of Manhattan, and the bicycle won. No joke. But anyway, let's get back to Alex vs Delsin

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    • 24.244.29.58 wrote: One thing's for sure: We can leave out Delsin's Power Copying ability, since Second Son specifically demonstrates that Delsin can only copy from Prime Conduits.

      Are you saying Delsin could copy Alex's powers? Pretty sure Delsin can only copy other conduits' powers, and Alex is not a conduit.

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    • 80.94.160.227 wrote: Central Europe. In fact it hardly can get any more central:D

      Minsk isn't really central Europe, but OK

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    • 74.108.224.146 wrote:

      80.94.160.227 wrote: Central Europe. In fact it hardly can get any more central:D

      Minsk isn't really central Europe, but OK


      You do know that Europe goes on to the very Ural mountians? Where is the center of Europe than, huh?:D

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    • 80.94.160.227 wrote:

      74.108.224.146 wrote:

      80.94.160.227 wrote: Central Europe. In fact it hardly can get any more central:D

      Minsk isn't really central Europe, but OK


      You do know that Europe goes on to the very Ural mountians? Where is the center of Europe than, huh?:D

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_midpoint_of_Europe

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    • Chris6d wrote:

      80.94.160.227 wrote:

      74.108.224.146 wrote:

      80.94.160.227 wrote: Central Europe. In fact it hardly can get any more central:D

      Minsk isn't really central Europe, but OK

      You do know that Europe goes on to the very Ural mountians? Where is the center of Europe than, huh?:D

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_midpoint_of_Europe


      And? It's written right there. Belarus. And even if we take into account polish version, it's still right beside us. So yeah, Central Europe:P

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    • Chris6d wrote:

      24.244.29.58 wrote: One thing's for sure: We can leave out Delsin's Power Copying ability, since Second Son specifically demonstrates that Delsin can only copy from Prime Conduits.

      Are you saying Delsin could copy Alex's powers? Pretty sure Delsin can only copy other conduits' powers, and Alex is not a conduit.


      On the contrary, he's saying exactly that it is useless. Besides Alex isn't even a human with superpowers, he's actually completly new separate sentient species based around... viral hivemind? Not sure how to classify him better. And yes, I know that we all here know it already. Just mentioned. Again.

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    • Alex would win He has better powers higher speeds the knowloge of over 100 soldiers and so much more

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    • alex is bald tho,so delsin would use the power of baldy mockery to insta KO alex.




      jk alex wins due to his much larger regen speed

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    • (Alex has hair u know)

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    • What if Delsin had a karma bomb?

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    • oh wait alex does have that thick luscious fabulous hair

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    • What does this have to do with Alex vs Delsin?

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    • Have to agree on "Deadpool" factor. While I view Delsin as far below the league of Alex and Cole, he has far better attitude and self control during battle. He mocks enemies, while Alex and Cole just allow themselves to get angry.

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    • Pretty sure Blacklight would beat the Prime Conduit healing factor and give Delsin a run for his money (Accounting for the disease immunity Conduits benefit from). Not Alex directly, more or less just the fact that this battle happens to be taking place in the most biologically contaminated city on the planet. Not to mention the contaminant in question is the most lethal, smart, quickly evolving virus in the history of mankind. Even if Alex loses, Blacklight will devour Delsin like a gummy bear.

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    • I think Delsin has great chance of defeating Mercer.

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    • Lets analyze their abilities:

      +Delsin Rowe:

       Powers:

       *Power Duplication

         -Smoke

         -Neon

         -Video

         -Concrete

       *Enhanced Strength, durability, endurance, speed, etc.

       *Healing factor and elemental genesis

        Weaknesses:

        *Rarity of elements to absorb

        *Inexperience

        *Smoke has limited speed boost, Neon is low damage. 

        *Inability to use multiple power sets at once, depends on a new source to swap set.

      +Alex Mercer:

       Powers:

       *Biomatter absorbtion (memory, skill, and genetic transfer).

       *Shapeshifting (for disguise or to turn bodyparts into bladed or blunt weapons).

       *Super strength, speed, durability, endurance

       *Superior intellect

       *Healing factor and biomatter genesis

        Weaknesses:

        none apparent



      Basic powers:

      Okay so, I think this is pretty one sided. Honestly, their abilities are fairly simiar on the surface level. Both Alex and Delsin can absorb someones abilities and memories on contact. The only difference is that Alex absorbs more than just that. He absorbs the entire body, gaining their personality, skills, and looks, not just their abilities and memories like Delsin. Alex's ability is superior in that aspect. Also, if Alex absorbs Delsin, he will get Delsin's powers. 

      Physique and Melee:

      While they both have enhanced super human physique, it is apparent who is superior. Delsin can fall from great heights without damage and shrug off most incoming small arms fire, but Alex takes it to another level. High ordinance explosives dont even phase him too much. Frag granades nearly kill Delsin. It is also apparent who is physically stronger. While Delsin can rip a chain link fence to pieces, Alex can lift cars and tanks over his head and punch holes in concrete and steel buildings. He is also physically faster, sprinting upwards of at least 30 mph, and fast enough to run /up/ walls and entire buildings. Delsin can somewhat even the playing field here with Light Speed, angel wings, and boulder dash but its still not that fast. Also, Alex has the advantage in the air too. He is a skilled helecopter pilot and can also nearly fly by decreasing his own body mass. Delsin can kinda half assed (and slowly) glide. Alex trumps him in melee weapon use as well. Delsin has a chain, which he can embue with fire to make a whip, or with neon to make a sword. He also can summon a digital greatsword or claws (depending on karma), or punch the ground to create a mini tremor with concrete. Alex is literally a living melee weapon. He can turn his fists into massive boulders for punching, turn his arms into massive swords, or even create whips. He literally specializes in melee, because of his massive physical strength. 

      Ranged: 

      This is one of the categories where Delsin has the advantage, albeit slightly. While Alex specializes in melee and brute strength, Delsin relies on finesse and ranged abilities. Alex has no ranged abilities, though he can make use of small arms. The thing is, Alex mostly shrugs off small arms fire, and he is faster than Delsin, so Delsin would not be able to harm him much with his default "blasters"  (except for maybe concrete) before Alex closed the distance. He might be able to slow down his perception of time with the neon blasters but that may not matter if the neon blasters cant really phase Alex. If Delsin can land some opportune hits with his smoke, neon, video, and concrete rockets, he may be able to harm him. Additionally, the invisibility+angel/demon summoning of the Video power set may allow Delsin to catch Alex off guard. The smoke grenade and neon bubble grenade dont do much to upper level DUP enemies, so there is no way they would affect Alex. Additionally, Alex can augment his own form by creating a biomass shield to further increase his durability.

      Special abilities: 

      Delsin has his Karma Bomb and Alex has Devastators. Both of their sets of specials are similarly damaging. Delsin has orbital drop (smoke), in which he flies up into the air, and then flies into the ground like a missile and explodes creating a massive shockwave. Then he has radiant sweep (neon) in which he creates a large shockwave that suspends enemies in the air, at which point he releases a barrage of neon charges all over the battlefield and floating enemies that will then explode seconds later. Lastly, he has hellfire swarm (video) in which he opens a portal behind him, summoning dozens of digital angels\demons who will then suicide bomb everything in their path. Alex has the tendril barrage, in which a massive amount of tentacles launch from all angles of his body and consume all living tissue within the vicinity. He has groundspike graveyard, in which he causes large spikes to erupt from the ground surrounding him impaling and consuming all living tissue. Lastly, he has critical pain, in which he combines both arms to create a long, wide, hardened tendril capable of penetrating the hardest armor. I think they are more or less even on this field. It really depends if one of them could land a hit with their specials, because they are both so mobile. If either one could land a hit with their special, Im sure it would cripple the other. 

      Power sources and healing:

      This is pretty clear cut. They both have a healing factor. A fast one. But both can be sped up by consumption. Delsin can heal from absorbing smoke/neon/digital data and Alex can heal from absorbing humans. The thing is however, there are going to be far more people on the street than neon signs, TVs, and chimneys. Alex has a clear advantage. Also, Delsin needs to recharge and Alex does not. Delsin's powers are recharged by relatively rare means. Additionally, Delsin can only switch power sets by absorbing a new element, and he cannot have more than one active power set, limiting his combat capability. 



      In summary, Alex is clearly significantly faster, stronger, and more durable than Delsin, and he has superior melee capabilities. His powers are more flexible in that he does not have to recharge and he has more plentiful healing materials present. He has superior mobility. Delsin has the upperhand in ranged, but this is somewhat offset by Alex's superior speed and durability. They both have comparably powerful supermoves, likely capable of crippling each other if one could possibly land a hit. Delsin only stands a small chance to win if he can land a supermove on Alex, which is unlikely given his speed. He could possible deal some damage with his various rockets and perhaps a sneak attack with video. The clear winner is Alex.

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      Well, when it comes to mobility and speed, I gotta disagree there. With Neon, Delsin can surely outpace Alex. 

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    • Alex could never catch or hit Delsin, it is stated that with neon power Delsin and Fetch can both move at the speed of light, and I don't think Mercer is catching that. And with smoke power, Delsin could simly become intangible, if Mercer tried to hit him it would simply pass through Delsin harmlessly, and Delsin can do that infinitely. Delsin doesn't have to be durable because he simply cannot be hit unless it's by an explosive or shockwave kind of damage that can blast smoke particles away. Eventually, due to the fact that Delsin cannot be hit, it is impossible for him to lose because he doesn't get tired due to his enhanced abilities, he'd make a great YouTuber XD. Delsin would eventually be caught in a vulnerable position and would have heaven hell and Delsin rained down on him, after being subdued. It is also shown that the subduing ability in all infamous games restrains powers, there is no getting out of that for Mercer. I'm sorry, he can outmatch Delsin in every way you can find, but he can't kill something if he can't hit it. Delsin would inevitably win.

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    • ^

      Mercer* would eventually be caught in a vulnerable position

      Sorry made a mistake

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