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    17:58, August 5, 2016

    The all too predictably redundant character battle discussion is finally here. You and I both knew this would eventually be created, so I guess I'll be "that guy." Now that the game has been out for a reasonable amount of time, I'm sure we can come up with a conclusion on who's the stronger Conduit, personal bias aside, of course. 

    Combatants: Cole MacGrath and Delsin Rowe.

    Canon: inFAMOUS (Good Ending) and inFAMOUS: Second Son (Good Ending).

    Setting: Seattle, Washington; abundance of power sources for all known matter/energy. 

    Rules/Restrictions:

    1.) MacGrath and Rowe begin fully charged. 

    2.) Powers and abilities seen in game ONLY.

    3.) MacGrath and Rowe have reached the rank of (True) Hero .

    4.) MacGrath is limited to three Karmic Overloads and Rowe is limited to one Karmic Bomb for each matter/energy. Rowe begins the fight with Smoke power.

    5.) MacGrath and Rowe have collected all the blast shards in their respective areas, meaning they've unlocked all their powers and abilities and are at full strength.

    Cole MacGrath:

    Strengths

    - Parkour Training

    - Martial Arts Training

    - Electromagnetism

    Electrokinesis

    - Enhanced Strength and Durability

    - Accelerated Healing

    Weaknesses

    - Regulation of Electricity

    - Large Volumes of Water (via Electrocution)

    Delsin Rowe:

    Strengths

    - Power Absorption 

    - Telepathic Perception 

    (1) Smoke Manipulation

    (2) Neon Manipulation

    (3) Video Manipulation

    (4) Concrete Manipulation 

    - Experienced Parkourist

    - Enhanced Strength and Durability 

    - Accelerated Healing 

    Weaknesses

    - Power Absorption 

    (1) (Duel) Vulnerable after using this ability. 

    (2) Dependent on core relays to develop power(s). 

    (3) Unable to switch to other powers until the current is sufficiently developed. 

    - Dependent on Power Sources in Order to Switch between his Known Powers

    - Large Volumes of Water (via Aquaphobia or the Inability to Swim) 

    Personal Opinion: Cole MacGrath

    Who do you believe would take the cake in a battle between our favorite Conduit protagonists?

    (If this has already been posted, I apologize in advance)

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    • Ugghhh, I didn't sign in! D:< 

      Anyways, yeah, I created this discussion lol.

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    • I'm tempted to say Cole due to:

      -The fact that even though he only has one powe (I don't really care much for ice and fire), the power alone is much more advanced than Smoke, Neon or Video (able to throw granades and rockets without special requirments, and using different variations, able to blast in different variations, able to teather away from one place to another, you get the point. Electricity offers more moves and usage of strong moves without special requirments, which is Heavy Ammo).

      -The fact that there are more sources for absorbing electricity, Seattle or not.

      It's really just those two. In all honesty, I think it's anybody's game. It just depends on who's smarter.

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    • Wouldn't the power absorption also render Cole weaker as well? That's how it seemed to be after getting Concrete. Also, I didn't know Cole was trained in a martial art, but seeing as he has his Amp I think that might just nullify that advantage.

      It also depends on whether or not we're talking about end of IF2 or the beginning, because it would be a much closer fight if it was the former.

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    • I would say Cole. Delsin just doesn't have the experience & there's nothing to suggest that the powers he has are in any way strong enough to combat Cole's electricity. But then again, Delsin did defeat Augustine when she had 7 years to practice using concrete. And we know that the core relays didn't make him as powerful as her because he couldn't turn into a big concrete beast thing like she could. So this shows that Delsin is smart & has great adaptability. But I still think that Augustine would get demolished against Cole, so that's not saying a whole lot.

      Maybe after Infamous Second Son 2, or whatever they want to call it, we'll see Delsin get to the same level as Cole. And don't say that it might not be Delsin because we all know that Sucker Punch aren't going to abandon a Conduit who can absorb other people's abilities. They might do that after the next game, but not any sooner.

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    • I think Delsin because of his ability to switch powers and i know he needs a power source to switch but if he gets video he can go invisible. and with neon run very fast do mobility

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    • But he can't use them all at once so it is all based on Delsin's ability to use his powers against Cole. I'm pretty sure that Delsin is better at using smoke than any of his other powers, due to having it longer, & he is no where near the same ability as Cole is with his electricity. Because of this, I just don't see Delsin winning. Like I said, he'll probably be able to take Cole on after another game with him.

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    • You forgot to say inabillity to get behind cover in delsin's weaknesses, and automatic regen in his strenghts. Delsin recovers health much faster than cole without power sources

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    • I thought that all Conduits naturally regenerate their injuries. I'm pretty sure that the smoke power couldn't have caused this for Delsin. Besides, Cole was shot at all the time & regenerated naturally, just like Delsin.

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    • You're right, this is redundant and pointless.

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    • But doesn't Delsin get weak much faster then Cole, I mean a couple of bullets (on normal) and the screen turns gray. It took way more shots for Cole's health to deplete. That being said Delsin doesnt have the ability to "Reduce Damage" like Cole can (except in Concrete form, but that was only to 20%, while Cole 's was to 100%). My idea is that it's a Conduit power thing and in terms of Durability, Cole wins. 

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    • Well, I'll just say this thread didn't work out. People keep saying "Cole because he defeated the beast" or "Delsin because he has four powers" but really they are both powerful. All Conduits have almost all of the same abilities, which makes it hard to vote. So yeah, not trying to be mean, but this thread is pointless and will just start arguments.

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    • It's not hard to vote; it's all about feats. You just have to compare the two based on who they've beaten. The only issue is that people focus too much on Delsin having multiple powers rather than how he would use them. And the fact that Cole defeated the Beast is not because he was more powerful than him, only because he had the RFI. It could be compared whether Delsin could fight the Beast just as well as Cole did, though. These are the points people need to make. So the thread is not pointless. People just don't think before they post :)

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    • The.Outsider wrote: It's not hard to vote; it's all about feats. You just have to compare the two based on who they've beaten. The only issue is that people focus too much on Delsin having multiple powers rather than how he would use them. And the fact that Cole defeated the Beast is not because he was more powerful than him, only because he had the RFI. It could be compared whether Delsin could fight the Beast just as well as Cole did, though. These are the points people need to make. So the thread is not pointless. People just don't think before they post :)

      Yeah, I guess I didn't think of that. I personally think that Cole would win. But that doesn't mean Delsin wouldn't be able to win. They're both powerful, so it's a pretty even battle.

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    • The.Outsider wrote:
      It's not hard to vote; it's all about feats. You just have to compare the two based on who they've beaten. The only issue is that people focus too much on Delsin having multiple powers rather than how he would use them. And the fact that Cole defeated the Beast is not because he was more powerful than him, only because he had the RFI. It could be compared whether Delsin could fight the Beast just as well as Cole did, though. These are the points people need to make. So the thread is not pointless. People just don't think before they post :)

      Yes, the thread is pointless. There's no point in answering the question as what it really boils down to is personal favoritism and the bias of the commenter. As there isn't a true way to compare the two characters (such as a fight between them) then alls we can do is hypothesize about this. Yeah, we can sit here and hypothesize for days but little will come out of it. I personally don't think a comparison can be made.

      P.S. Your thesis on this is wrong. It doesn't matter who beat who, as a fight is only a moment.

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    • But that's the point of having these battles. We're not trying to reach a conclusion. You should check out Comicvine, as they do this stuff all the time. A true conclusion will never be reached unless Cole fights Delsin in the game, & that will never happen. So all we can do is debate. And besides, I'm not being biased. I think Cole will win & yet I like Delsin more.

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    • cole in a close fight

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    • Hmm.. Could go both ways IMO.

      I like how people keep saying that Cole is more experience despite the fact that BOTH protagonists have triumph over their adversary who is more practiced in their ability; Kessler-decades, Augustine-7 years.

      Using the games logic, the more experienced you are, the more likely you are to lose apparently. :P

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    • Something to take into consideration, now if Delsin were to absorb Cole's powers he wouldn't be able to do a damn thing without a Core Relay. The most he could do is probably do a dash technique and fire off a bolt, and he wouldn't be able to switch to another power as well. Now whose to say Delsin will be close enough to take Cole's power, but if he was to do so at any point, Cole would win. That weakness only grants Cole the win.

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    • I wish people actually read the thread before discussing the topic. :/

      I made it clear that it was inFAMOUS 1 MacGrath, not inFAMOUS 2 MacGrath. 

      I just wanted to see other people's opinions and start a friendly debate. 

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    • ^ I really need to remember to log in before commenting lol.

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    • this is pointless

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    • Delsin's mobile powers give him a really good shot at the win in my opinion... He could keep turning into smoke to avoid getting hit by Cole's electricity, which can also close the gap and make it a close quarters fight. Both would have to resort to blasts or melee and again Delsin being able to zip around real fast might be the advantage in that situation. Especially if it's Infamous 1 Cole. Cole can't really move that fast..

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    • If it's Infamous 1 Cole then Delsin wins easily.

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    • Personally, given the fact that Cole can take more damage and has been shown in inFamous defeating two conduits with lifelong training (Alden and Kessler), I think that Cole would win. Delsin has the speed and the whole four powers thing for him and is shown to be more than competent (which would probably give Cole a hell of a run for his money) but Cole is still has more experience with his one power than Delsin does with any of his four. Delsin has stretched his experience over four powers and probably has a favorite, whereas Cole just has the one and has been training with it for the duration of the game making him more competent in using it. So basically I think that it would be a hella close fight, but Cole would win.

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    • If Delsin faced off against inFamous 2 Cole, Cole would've screwed him up and had him surrendering with one finger. But, if its inFamous 1 Cole, I say Delsin in a close fight.

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    • 79.173.218.147 wrote:
      Personally, given the fact that Cole can take more damage and has been shown in inFamous defeating two conduits with lifelong training (Alden and Kessler), I think that Cole would win. Delsin has the speed and the whole four powers thing for him and is shown to be more than competent (which would probably give Cole a hell of a run for his money) but Cole is still has more experience with his one power than Delsin does with any of his four. Delsin has stretched his experience over four powers and probably has a favorite, whereas Cole just has the one and has been training with it for the duration of the game making him more competent in using it. So basically I think that it would be a hella close fight, but Cole would win.

      I don't think defeating Kessler was a huge feat. It's not like Kessler wanted to actually kill Cole because he needed him to defeat the Beast. Defeating Alden & Sasha are pretty decent feats, but Delsin defeated Fetch, Eugene & Augustine. All three of them had years of experience & Fetch & Augustine are both trained to fight; I'm not sure about Eugene. Does being strapped to a chair really count as being trained?

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    • I.. think it's clear Kessler gave Cole everything he got during the fight. Hell, when he almost won, he seemed angry and said, "You're weak! A failure! All of this has been for nothing!".

      Also, I think I speak for everyone here when I say that when we say Cole is more experienced, we don't just mean time. Cole has more moves, and more variations of them. Each one of Delsin's powers has something unique to offer, but Cole's power offers the whole package. I do think that Delsin has a big chance due to his superior mobility with all powers. Like I said, it depends on who's smarter. It's anybody's game.

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    • Cole's a glass cannon - he can cause a lot more damage than he can take. As such it really all depends on whether delsin can close the gap initially without being fried with electricity.

      It also depends on whether Delsin could swap Smoke for something more useful, his best chance is with concrete, but that can only be gained from DUP at the moment, so not an option in this fight.

      Also, good cole has an advantage over evil cole, due to range and the fact that Delsin couldn't say - drain the smoke attacks of Cole's evil form to recharge himself.

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    • I would actually say that Delsin would have a better advantage with his smoke abilities. He's had them much longer & is skilled with them, as Hank pointed out.

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    • The.Outsider wrote:
      I would actually say that Delsin would have a better advantage with his smoke abilities. He's had them much longer & is skilled with them, as Hank pointed out.

      Hank says that regardless of which power you use to chase him.

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    • I am aware of that. But that implies that the chase was supposed to happen with smoke. It was obvious that he was referring to smoke because he says "You seem to be getting good at using those powers I gave you".

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    • Cole, because Delsin would catch small pox and die.

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    • 75.146.177.21 wrote: Cole, because Delsin would catch small pox and die.

      ? That doesn't explain much...

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    • It may or may not have been a comment about how when Europeans came to the Americas, disease wiped out a good portion of the Native American population. And by mah or may not, I mean it probably was.

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    • Ok first of for Cole's Powers you did not mention Ice (via Lucy Kuo), Second, I think Cole would win because I see Delsin just throwing strategy out the window while Cole would plan his next move.

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    • 76.94.152.159 wrote:
      Ok first of for Cole's Powers you did not mention Ice (via Lucy Kuo), Second, I think Cole would win because I see Delsin just throwing strategy out the window while Cole would plan his next move.


      He didn't mention it because this is Infamous 1 Cole not 2.

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    • Infamous 1 Cole's main chance against Delsin is activating Karmic Charge and obliterating Delsin with lightning from the sky. Smoke? Neon? Lightning - pretty much by its very definition - would obliterate all of these.

      But in a fighty fight? Good Cole lacked the raw destructive ability of evil, and isn't as mobile as Delsin - not even a stream of electricity to fire. If it gets to close quarters fighting Delsin wins, unless cole gets a lucky hit with his blades - but any push moves won't really do much to delsin. If it gets to range, Delsin can outmanoever Cole while shooting back - all Cole really has is greater damage potential which he may not be able to utilise if Delsin's smart with his mobility.

      However, Infamous 2 Cole - especially good - would mop the floor with Delsin. Loads more options and doesn't need a different power source to use them.

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    • Why does Delsin automatically win in close quarters fighting? Cole could just do a Lightning Storm and almost wipe Delsin out.

      Is it also assumed that Delsin would absorb Cole's power at first chance? Or would he wait it out?

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    • Delsin wouldn't absorb Cole's power straight away if he's trying to be smart. He should wait until Cole is beaten but not dead.

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    • I'm guessing you're pro-Delsin on this one Outsider. But as someone aboive me has said, Delsin doesn't always think through his plan and often just "throws strategy out the window".

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    • I'd say Cole. Delsin has a small array of moves for each power (especially Concrete), while Cole has a dozen. Also, Cole has been shown to be stronger than Delsin, as he effortlessly lifted up a huge radio beacon tower (or whatever was at the shipping yard), which could have been well over two tons, and has smashed a steel safe with his fist while Delsin could barely push a car without Reggie's help. Cole's attacks are stronger, too, as he could take down a helicopter with 2-3 rockets or by simply throwing car at it with Kinetic Pulse, while Desin has to fire several rockets at it. Also, Cole can spam rockets a lot faster, and his rockets depend on his overall energy reserves, not a separate amount of heavy ammo like Delsin, meaning he can fire off many more rockets. Also, if Delsin decides to use Smoke Dash , Cole can use an Electromagnetic Shockwave to tear him apart. Also, Cole's Electricity would cause much more damage than Delsin's Smoke, Concrete, and Video, and on par with if not a little bit stronger than Neon (Although I'm not sure how Lightning would react to Smoke, Neon, or Video, though I reckon Cole can drain Video since it's electrical impulses). Since Cole is Good and has fully upgraded powers with maximum energy reserves, every bolt he lands restores his energy, and missed bolts chain electricity to Delsin and other objects nearly, and if he lands a Headshock, which he most definitely can due to his Precision, he will regain health. His Shockwaves and Megawatt Hammers can make Delsin float with Electromagnetism, leaving him susceptible to high damage attacks like the Overload Burst. Then there's the fact that Delsin can't take as much damage as Cole before being knocked into unconscious/ dying. Cole's Karmic Overload would allow him to make short work of Delsin, as he can go all out and repeatedly use Precision or call forth an extremely long-lasting Lightning Storm. Speaking of Which, Cole's Lightning Storm proves to be superior to Delsin's Karma Bombs, as he could more easily direct it, doesn't have to perform a specific amount of actions in order to use it, can cause more damage with it (a regular lightning bolt contains 1 billion volts and 10,000-200,000 amperes; the strongest can contain 6 billion, not to mention the fact that a lightning bolt is over 50,000 F°, which is approximately five times hotter than the Sun's surface, and the temperature of the air surrounding the bolt can reach 70,000 F°. Also, thunder from a lightning bolt has been known to shatter glass. Now image a continuous lightning bolt four feet away from you. Plus, a lightning bolt is extremely bright, so much that up close, it would blind you permanently), and it can take away any cover Delsin has, as it would annihilate everything. Delsin's Karma Bombs often involve a really drawn-out but devastating air-to-ground attack. Cole has experience with Thunder Drops. He could easily move away from the blast radius in time, and/or fire Precision or Megawatt Hammers at Delsin while he's performing his attack, countering it. The exception is the Radiant Sweep, which will leave Cole suspended in midair, but he'll have time to fire at Delsin before he unleashes the beam. But maybe Cole won't even need to, as exceptionally powerful Conduits like Brooke Augustine could tank at least two of Delsin's Karma Bombs without dying. Cole is leagues above Augustine, as he was powerful enough to defeat Kessler, who would turn Augustine senile with one shock to the head before she could even blink. Add to that the fact that Cole had his powers in inFAMOUS for three or so weeks while Delsin had his for a week or so, meaning that Cole has much more control and experience with his powers. Finally, we have melee combat. Delsin's not really a fighter. He's kinda scrawny (though I suppose it takes a lot of strength to do parkour), and he doesn't have any training in melee combat. Cole lacks experience as well, but he's definitely the more skilled pugilist of the two. He do backflip kicks (as well as acrobatics in general; incorporating acrobatics into fighting moves and actually making them effective is not easy at all), flying kicks, headbutts, 360 kicks, all kinds of things, all while channeling electricity into his hands and feet and adding super strength while Delsin just pulverizes his opponents unskillfully with his chain. Still, Delsin's chain is more powerful than Cole's punches, as it can take out an armored D.U.p soldier in three hits, while it takes three fully upgraded hits from Cole to kill an unarmored Reaper. However, Cole has the Gigawatt Blades, which are pretty much instantaneous killers on every single one of his enemies, save for exceptionally powerful Conduits. Then again, Delsin has a longer reach with his chain, and Cole has to reactivate his Gigawatt Blades after every hit. Still, in a CQC battle, Cole could probably evade some of Delsin's hits, endure some more while performing the occasion attack/counterattack, and finally finish him off with a slash from the Gigawatt Blades. If Delsin uses his trump card, which is draining Cole's powers, it'll most likely leave both of them severely weakened unconscious, at which point Cole, due to being stronger, will probably get up first and beat Delsin into submission, electrocute him, or snap his neck with his superior strength (Although there's a possibility of neither one being knocked out, just weakened, as by the end of inFAMOUS: Second Son, Delsin was strong enough to not be knocked out after draining Augustine's powers and Augustine was very resilient to damage, so she wasn't knocked out either. Also, Delsin did not lose his previous powers like before. Unfortunately for Delsin, neither scenario will help him, as Cole will be able to take out with his bare hands.) So all in all, Cole is the triumphant one in my opinion (By the way, sorry if I sound like a Cole fanboy. I looked at this battle from every possible angle and used research to apply some logic to reveal the winner.)

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    • I agree with your stance and most of your points, but keep in mind that it is inFamous 1 Cole. Meaning that he does not have Kinetic Pulse. But that's basically the only flaw, and you even provided another solution.

      I'm not sure how Delsin's dashes would be affected. Smoke would probably be blasted backwards and reform, neon most likely couldn't be affected, video could probably be drained/manipulated by Cole, and Concrete might lose a bit of momentum but continue to attack.

      But Cole's overall variation and flexibility with his electricity is his main advantage.

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    • Ccnitro wrote:
      I'm guessing you're pro-Delsin on this one Outsider. But as someone aboive me has said, Delsin doesn't always think through his plan and often just "throws strategy out the window".

      I suppose. But I don't think Delsin is that stupid. Cole is much stronger than any conduit he has faced before.

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    • That is actually surprising to me. You'd think that over the time that Augustine had to master her powers, she'd get closer to Cole in ability. She had, what, 6 more years than he did? 

      I understand Cole was an immensely powerful Conduit, But I think that Augustine's advantage was to huge for her not to have become more powerful.

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    • Cole defeated Kessler, who had his powers for many more years than Augustine. So I would assume that Cole was just immensely more powerful than most average conduits.

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    • Kessler was also really old and lacked the stamina of his younger self.

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    • He might have also held back to a certain point to test Cole's ability. I'm sure if he wanted him to be ready, he wouldn't expect him to fight him at his full power.

      But yeah, he was probably hindered by his age.

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    • I love Delsin. He's so much faster and more agile then Cole. But then again, why would Cole need to be faster or more agile when he just glasses the entire street if necessary? I remember running across the street with Cole on the hardest difficutly taking fire from one of those machine gun turrets on the trucks and surviving. Delsin on normal gets near death from a few shots from the DUP. I believe even if Delsin got the jump on Cole, he doesnt have enough raw power to really hurt Cole. Consider this. Cole can get hit by a train and get up none the wiser, his sheer fortitude is beyond anything Delsin can overcome. I see this as a long and drawn out fight as Cole's slow behind gets angrier and angrier trying to pin Delsin, but eventually, when delsin sees nothing he's doing is working, he'll try something risky, and that will be a painful lesson.

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    • I wouldn't say Cole's slow. He actually moves much faster than most humans and even Conduits. It's just that compared to Delsin, he is relatively slower and can't seem to keep up.

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    • I completely agree. Cole is the unstoppable juggernaut, while Delsin is the is the invisible ninja, in and out. I hate saying that i have more fun playing as delsin since i feel like im betraying one of my alltime favorites, but its so fun to do hit and run, playing as delsin actually made me think compared to cole, i have to worry about health and heavy ammo and power locations, its so much funner then just obliterating everything with a shower of grenades or missles. But i have to admit, I thought multiple times playing "wow, Cole would be unstoppable if this is the opposition."

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    • I don't think people are giving Delsin enough credit in terms of attack power. For starters, Delsin can obliterate DUP soldiers, when he is evil of course, but keep in mind that DUP soldiers are conduits that have their natural ability overwritten with a lesser concrete power from Brooke.

      Delsin also destroys MILITARY APC's and helicoptors. You know, things built to make sure their occupants survive combat situations. In Infamous 1 Cole couldn't even scratch a makeshift armored bus and the major vehicle he can destroy is a modified semi-truck with his Lightning Storm attack.

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    • Well, I think that was mainly gameplay limitations. 

      Plus, I'm getting stuck on the inFamous Cole instead of iF2 Cole. Most of my memories were from iF2, making it harder for me to be critical about Cole in the beginning.

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    • I think a more interesting fight would be Cole vs. Augustine. I would like to see how that would play out.

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    • DannyJC13 wrote:
      I think a more interesting fight would be Cole vs. Augustine. I would like to see how that would play out.

      cole would stomp

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    • DannyJC13 wrote:
      I think a more interesting fight would be Cole vs. Augustine. I would like to see how that would play out.

      Same as against Alden Tate. Concrete blocked by shield, everything else is just nuking with explosives and precisions shots when exposed.

      only fight in all the games that was anywhere near challenging was versus Kessler - and he's essentially Cole with a few new tricks and strange non-electrokinetic powers.

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    • delsin is more agile and more versiltile and simply more powerful as a conduit. sure cole has more experience than delsin but augustine had 7 years of experience and still got her ass kicked. if theres one thing that the infamous games seem to tell us is that its not how good you are or how brave you are its just whats in you genes...which is crap....

      cole would get his ass handed to him deal with it...

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    • Psychicwalrus wrote:
      delsin is more agile and more versiltile and simply more powerful as a conduit. sure cole has more experience than delsin but augustine had 7 years of experience and still got her ass kicked. if theres one thing that the infamous games seem to tell us is that its not how good you are or how brave you are its just whats in you genes...which is crap....

      cole would get his ass handed to him deal with it...

      It's already established that delsin ISN'T more versality, and ISN'T more powerful. He has more options given multiple power sources, whereas cole has all his options all the time. And this is regular Cole, from the first one. SO we're talking nades, rockets, lightning from the sky, shield, and various types of electrical attack, including precision.

      I'm sorry, but Delsin maybe be more agile that default cole, but he's not more powerful, and definitely not more versatile.

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    • Cole would win. 1st off, if you played InFamous 1 you would know that Kessler tried to absorb Cole's power, but failed. 2nd. think about it... Video, Smoke, Neon, and Concrete wouldnt be able to out class Electricity. It's far more advanced. Cole would just simply mop the floor with Delsin.

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    • Kessler didn't try to absorb Cole's power...

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    • 98.192.210.21 wrote:
      Cole would win. 1st off, if you played InFamous 1 you would know that Kessler tried to absorb Cole's power, but failed. 2nd. think about it... Video, Smoke, Neon, and Concrete wouldnt be able to out class Electricity. It's far more advanced. Cole would just simply mop the floor with Delsin.

      When did Kessler try to absorb Cole's powers??

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    • 98.192.210.21 wrote:
      Cole would win. 1st off, if you played InFamous 1 you would know that Kessler tried to absorb Cole's power, but failed. 2nd. think about it... Video, Smoke, Neon, and Concrete wouldnt be able to out class Electricity. It's far more advanced. Cole would just simply mop the floor with Delsin.

      Really? Video the superpower that allows the user(s) to suck people into a computer, uses are limited only by imagination, allows the user(s) to summon an army, create an armored avatar is outclassed by electricity? LOL, thanks pal, I really needed a good laugh.

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    • 98.192.210.21 wrote:
      Cole would win. 1st off, if you played InFamous 1 you would know that Kessler tried to absorb Cole's power, but failed. 2nd. think about it... Video, Smoke, Neon, and Concrete wouldnt be able to out class Electricity. It's far more advanced. Cole would just simply mop the floor with Delsin.

      For people questioning this, no, Kessler never tried to "asorb Cole's powers"- why would he need to in the first place?  He's freakin' Kessler, he doesn't need Cole's powers when he has enough of his own (by the way, Kessler can't absorb conduit abilities).

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    • firstly delsin is more versiltile in that he has more different powers to choose from and each different power has very different adventages/disadvantages. cole is just a run of the mill conduit with one power and he can't absorb powers.

      there is no evidence that electricity is more advanced infact if you have ever used video than you will see it is much more powerful than anything cole ever had.  failing all this delsin could absorb coles power and use it against him.

      the only people who think cole would come out on top are people who simpley like cole more as a character but this does not make him stronger. 

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    • Alright before I start, I just want to say, yes I am a little biased. I know the InFamous games with Cole in and out, while I've only played Second Son for a few hours at my friend's house. However, I still believe that Cole would win. Think about it. Cole has an unlimited energy supply in InFamous remember? His basic bolts are enough to stun and kill Delsin, and they don't even require energy. Of course, this might be considered a flaw, however we cannot take that out of account. Sure Delsin cant dash around much faster, but once he "materializes" and Cole gets one shot into him, he will be incapacitated for a few seconds (like all the other enemies) and at this time will be able to be taken out by Cole easily.

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    • delsin can stun cole more than cole can stun him for example one well aimed smoke shot can send cole into a coughing fit. electric does not effect conduits the same way a human is effected. conduit are more resiliant and would not be stunned.

      If we are going to think critical about it then we have to take into account delsin's other abilitys. such as the "laser focus" which makes it appear as if time is slowing down allowing delsin to make we placed shots and that neon beams both stun more and are very damaging.

      we also have to think about his cloaking abillity which would render cole helpless. its simpley not a question of how long it takes for delsin to kill cole its more a question of how long it takes before delsin gets bored and ends it inside of 2 minutes. or perhaps how many coles it takes to kill one delsin. 

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    • Based on how well other Conduits took the hits, Delsin wouldn't necessarily be down and out by bolts.

      The problem I can see happening is if it's a street, there is more likely to be tons of electricity than smoke, neon, etc. Plus the time it takes for the absoption of sources could be Delsin's downfall.

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    • Oh yeah forgot about how the electricity panned out in other battles :P Whoops

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    • Cole easily.

      Well Delsin would touch Cole and then pass out. When he wakes up he'd have no power because he needs core relays. So Cole would just kill him. Cole takes this. For the reasons above, Delsin can't drain Cole for this fight. Cole has greater variety to the way he uses his powers, greater experience with using them, and just greater resolve in general. He was put through hell to be the one Conduit that could stop the Beast, and that's what he did.

      Not to mention that Cole can cut off at least two of Delsin's four power sources by draining their electricity: Video, Neon too. No DUP soldiers involved means no Concrete, leaving Delsin just with Smoke, giving Cole the advantage of range. Cole also has the advantage of his power source being a LOT more common than any of Delsin's, so while Delsin is scrambling for juice, Cole's just going to stretch out a hand and grab everything nearby.

      Take into account that Cole can fire more missiles than Delsin's max, can slow down time to easily hit him (Precision), can block or even reflect some of Delsin's attacks with his Polarity Wall, and if Delsin came in to attack with his chain, Cole has him beat there as well with his juiced up amp, not to mention the ionic abilities, and ice/napalm powers, and so much more?

      Delsin's got a few things going for him: He can turn intangible or invisible. He has the movement speed and maneuverability advantage. But Cole has the experience, the skills, the combat speed advantage with Precision, and a power source that is vastly more numerous. Not to mention if it's Evil Cole, he obliterates Delsin off the face of the planet with ease. He is much more destructive than the latter, he absorbed the powers from the Beast, making him even more destructive, and he can not die without the use of a RFI. Evil Cole just giga drains the city that Delsin is in and ends the fight there. Good Cole throws an ionic vortex and rips Delsin to shreds.

      Delsin can run. Delsin can hide. But Delsin can NOT win this fight.

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    • What experience? At the end of inFamous he's had his powers, what, a few months (the actual timeline of inFamous always seemed convoluted to me, so I could be extremely off).

      Also, as stated above, Delsin wouldn't be stupid enough to absorb Cole's powers right off the bat.

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    • Tbh I think he probably would try it.

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    • DBZCREEPY wrote: Cole easily.

      Well Delsin would touch Cole and then pass out. When he wakes up he'd have no power because he needs core relays. So Cole would just kill him. Cole takes this. For the reasons above, Delsin can't drain Cole for this fight. Cole has greater variety to the way he uses his powers, greater experience with using them, and just greater resolve in general. He was put through hell to be the one Conduit that could stop the Beast, and that's what he did.

      Not to mention that Cole can cut off at least two of Delsin's four power sources by draining their electricity: Video, Neon too. No DUP soldiers involved means no Concrete, leaving Delsin just with Smoke, giving Cole the advantage of range. Cole also has the advantage of his power source being a LOT more common than any of Delsin's, so while Delsin is scrambling for juice, Cole's just going to stretch out a hand and grab everything nearby.

      Take into account that Cole can fire more missiles than Delsin's max, can slow down time to easily hit him (Precision), can block or even reflect some of Delsin's attacks with his Polarity Wall, and if Delsin came in to attack with his chain, Cole has him beat there as well with his juiced up amp, not to mention the ionic abilities, and ice/napalm powers, and so much more?

      Delsin's got a few things going for him: He can turn intangible or invisible. He has the movement speed and maneuverability advantage. But Cole has the experience, the skills, the combat speed advantage with Precision, and a power source that is vastly more numerous. Not to mention if it's Evil Cole, he obliterates Delsin off the face of the planet with ease. He is much more destructive than the latter, he absorbed the powers from the Beast, making him even more destructive, and he can not die without the use of a RFI. Evil Cole just giga drains the city that Delsin is in and ends the fight there. Good Cole throws an ionic vortex and rips Delsin to shreds.

      Delsin can run. Delsin can hide. But Delsin can NOT win this fight.

      Neither of them...could easily beat the other. Evil Cole isn't even Canon so using him as a reference is incredibly redundant. Pretty sure Cole can only absorb PURE electricity. Neon is a God Damn GAS! A colorless gas at that. It's in the Periodic Table! The only reason you can see it is because it's used in some sort of electric/voltage tube but that doesn't make it electricity. Video...don't even get me started on that. Matter of fact I'm sure that Delsin is just as much or a match for Cole. I mean you didn't even really give the guy a chance except for two positive aspects. This is a biased opinion from Delsin's point of view.

      Delsin knows what happens when he absorbs a Conduit's power so why the hell would he even think about trying to take Cole's power? Especially in the middle of a fight? Since Delsin has four different powers instead of just one 'scrambling for juice' isn't the phrase that I would use. He has just as many resources as Cole. Both on the ground and on top of buildings no matter where he is. Plus thanks to Delsin's "Quick Drain" he can absorb power just as fast, maybe even faster than Cole's "Gigawatt Drain."

      Cole can only fire more Rocket's because his affects his main energy source, which is a lot. Because of that he can run out of energy quicker unlike Delsin who has 'Heavy Ammo' Plus a lot of energy that doesn't un out quick. Delsin only has a set max of missiles for the current power that he's using at the moment. Delsin can also slow down time with his 'Laser Focus' using his Neon, which there is an ample amount of. Cole in Infamous 1 has the Polarity Wall which he doesn't have in Infamous 2. There has the Ice Shield, which isn't god against heavy fire. Plus Delsin's melee switches on what power he's using two while Cole's stays the same. Canon Cole has Ice...not Napalm. Again...redundant.

      Everybody keeps saying that Cole has the experience which literally does not mean shit. He beat people that were more experienced than him. Delsin did the same thing. Everything you said after that Delsin has as well. 'Skills, combat speed, his own 'Precision' and an ample amount of power sources.' Since you want to keep throwing Evil Cole's abilities in the mix than what about Evil Delsin who absorbed the power of HUNDREDS of different Conduit's in Curdan Cay which could literally be varied into anything. Even something that could kill The Beast or make himself indestructible. Instant Regeneration? Molecule/Atom Control? Cell Manipulation? Gravity? ELECTROKINESIS?

      Good Delsin will then incase Cole in Concrete stopping him from using any of his powers while he Orbital Drops him to absolute dust.

      This is why you don't give complete biased statements. I mean really I say again you didn't even give Delsin a chance.

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    • 108.251.90.168 wrote:

      DBZCREEPY wrote: Cole easily.

      Well Delsin would touch Cole and then pass out. When he wakes up he'd have no power because he needs core relays. So Cole would just kill him. Cole takes this. For the reasons above, Delsin can't drain Cole for this fight. Cole has greater variety to the way he uses his powers, greater experience with using them, and just greater resolve in general. He was put through hell to be the one Conduit that could stop the Beast, and that's what he did.

      Not to mention that Cole can cut off at least two of Delsin's four power sources by draining their electricity: Video, Neon too. No DUP soldiers involved means no Concrete, leaving Delsin just with Smoke, giving Cole the advantage of range. Cole also has the advantage of his power source being a LOT more common than any of Delsin's, so while Delsin is scrambling for juice, Cole's just going to stretch out a hand and grab everything nearby.

      Take into account that Cole can fire more missiles than Delsin's max, can slow down time to easily hit him (Precision), can block or even reflect some of Delsin's attacks with his Polarity Wall, and if Delsin came in to attack with his chain, Cole has him beat there as well with his juiced up amp, not to mention the ionic abilities, and ice/napalm powers, and so much more?

      Delsin's got a few things going for him: He can turn intangible or invisible. He has the movement speed and maneuverability advantage. But Cole has the experience, the skills, the combat speed advantage with Precision, and a power source that is vastly more numerous. Not to mention if it's Evil Cole, he obliterates Delsin off the face of the planet with ease. He is much more destructive than the latter, he absorbed the powers from the Beast, making him even more destructive, and he can not die without the use of a RFI. Evil Cole just giga drains the city that Delsin is in and ends the fight there. Good Cole throws an ionic vortex and rips Delsin to shreds.

      Delsin can run. Delsin can hide. But Delsin can NOT win this fight.

      Neither of them...could easily beat the other. Evil Cole isn't even Canon so using him as a reference is incredibly redundant. Pretty sure Cole can only absorb PURE electricity. Neon is a God Damn GAS! A colorless gas at that. It's in the Periodic Table! The only reason you can see it is because it's used in some sort of electric/voltage tube but that doesn't make it electricity. Video...don't even get me started on that.

      Matter of fact I'm sure that Delsin is just as much or a match for Cole. I mean you didn't even really give the guy a chance except for two positive aspects. This is a biased opinion from Delsin's point of view.

      Delsin knows what happens when he absorbs a Conduit's power so why the hell would he even think about trying to take Cole's power? Especially in the middle of a fight? Since Delsin has four different powers instead of just one 'scrambling for juice' isn't the phrase that I would use. He has just as many resources as Cole. Both on the ground and on top of buildings no matter where he is. Plus thanks to Delsin's "Quick Drain" he can absorb power just as fast, maybe even faster than Cole's "Gigawatt Drain."

      Cole can only fire more Rocket's because his affects his main energy source, which is a lot. Because of that he can run out of energy quicker unlike Delsin who has 'Heavy Ammo' Plus a lot of energy that doesn't un out quick. Delsin only has a set max of missiles for the current power that he's using at the moment. Delsin can also slow down time with his 'Laser Focus' using his Neon, which there is an ample amount of. Cole in Infamous 1 has the Polarity Wall which he doesn't have in Infamous 2. There has the Ice Shield, which isn't god against heavy fire. Plus Delsin's melee switches on what power he's using two while Cole's stays the same. Canon Cole has Ice...not Napalm. Again...redundant.

      Everybody keeps saying that Cole has the experience which literally does not mean shit. He beat people that were more experienced than him. Delsin did the same thing. Everything you said after that Delsin has as well. 'Skills, combat speed, his own 'Precision' and an ample amount of power sources.' Since you want to keep throwing Evil Cole's abilities in the mix than what about Evil Delsin who absorbed the power of HUNDREDS of different Conduit's in Curdan Cay which could literally be varied into anything. Even something that could kill The Beast or make himself indestructible. Instant Regeneration? Molecule/Atom Control? Cell Manipulation? Gravity? ELECTROKINESIS?

      Good Delsin will then incase Cole in Concrete stopping him from using any of his powers while he Orbital Drops him to absolute dust.

      This is why you don't give complete biased statements. I mean really I say again you didn't even give Delsin a chance.


      Thank you for finally giving a (albiet a bit rude) explanation on Delsin's equalness to Cole.  Many of you people are giving Cole a better chance because he's more popular and more widely known.  Fact is, Delsin is just as experienced as Cole and he can teleport (something that even Cole couldn't do).

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    • I disagree with the idea of assuming that the Delsin of this scenario should absorb all of the Conduits from Curdun Cay. I'm not saying we should only include the Good Karma side of it (although that was an original criteria), it's just that it is only implied that Delsin gets all of their powers in the final cutscene, and it is never actually shown doing it.

      That would be like giving Cole 1,000 Blast Shards and a few Blast Cores, and would supercharge him way beyond the playable character.

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    • Ccnitro wrote:
      I disagree with the idea of assuming that the Delsin of this scenario should absorb all of the Conduits from Curdun Cay. I'm not saying we should only include the Good Karma side of it (although that was an original criteria), it's just that it is only implied that Delsin gets all of their powers in the final cutscene, and it is never actually shown doing it.

      That would be like giving Cole 1,000 Blast Shards and a few Blast Cores, and would supercharge him way beyond the playable character.


      It was a comment on how DBZCREEPY wanted to include Evil Karma abilities in the fight despite the fact that both characters are Good Karma in this fight.

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    • Delsin

      Use video ability, turn invisible, then subdue/execute cole *fly

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    • Cole can use his radar pulse to locate Delsin, so invisibility is useless.

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    • There's no guarantee that the radar would work when he's invisible, so that is invalid. But there is also nothing to imply that he couldn't, so it's not something worth mentioning.

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    • The.Outsider wrote:
      There's no guarantee that the radar would work when he's invisible, so that is invalid. But there is also nothing to imply that he couldn't, so it's not something worth mentioning.

      Pulse radar detects electricity. The human body contains electricity.

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    • "human".

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    • Yeah, I'm assuming the nerve system and brain works the same for conduits as it does for humans.

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    • Since conduits can be Bio Leeched, it's obvious they have electricity inside.

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    • But still, you can't back up the idea that Delsin's invisibilty doesn't block this method of tracking.

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    • As discussed in the Future of the Conduits species thread, Conduits are the equivalents of mutants, meaning they are, on the macro scale, the same species as humans.

      If that is true, then he can detect them

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    • An Italian Guy wrote:
      Cole can use his radar pulse to locate Delsin, so invisibility is useless.

      Cole can't detect the Cloaking Conduits from the First Sons, let alone the invisible satellite dishes in one mission.

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    • Ccnitro wrote:
      As discussed in the Future of the Conduits species thread, Conduits are the equivalents of mutants, meaning they are, on the macro scale, the same species as humans.

      If that is true, then he can detect them

      But all these arguments are based on assumptions. I'm not trying to say you're wrong, only that there isn't sufficient evidence to support your statements. Unless it is proved to be true through actual concrete evidence, we must assume that it is false. Assuming something is true without knowing is exactly the opposite of what you should do. And by proof I mean real proof - proof that actually involves Delsin using this ability against Cole. No such event has occured so it's impossible to use this argument as a factor in the fight.

      P.S. I do accept the likelihood that his radar would work, but I cannot support this idea for the reasons above :)

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    • WHAT IF ONE OF THEM WERE VAMPIRES

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    • As soon as I posted my argument, I realized all the things that made me wrong/didn't prove my statement. So we'll just throw the Radar Pulse out the window. 

      What does the invisibility power do gameplay-wise? Does it just make it so the DUP don't attack you/see you?

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    • When you turn invisible the DUP can neither see you or shoot you. While you are invisible getting close to enemies will enable you to restrain or execute them, depending on your karma. This way you can take out enemies very easily.

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    • An Italian Guy wrote:
      When you turn invisible the DUP can neither see you or shoot you. While you are invisible getting close to enemies will enable you to restrain or execute them, depending on your karma. This way you can take out enemies very easily.

      Back to the argument at hand though, and not a counter to what you've said, which is purely factual, but getting this train back on the rails!

      DUP, nor Delsin, have the same level of perception as Cole. Hell, in the first game he could get psychic vibes from the recently deceased, and see enemies as red outlines even if they were disguised.

      I doubt Delsins trick (which must surely rely on an electromagnetic frequency?) would let him get close enough to Cole to subdue him, or if he'd even be weak to such an attack.

      So basically, is Delsin's cloak that useful?

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    • I suppose that Psychic Vision would be the same argument as with Radar Pulse, so I guess that's out of the question for seeing invisible Delsin.

      I guess in this case it would be useful, seeing as nothing (definite) on Cole's side can counteract it.

      What Delsin has going for him is extreme versatility and advanced concepts. Basically, they had to start with Cole, and work off that base until his end. He was SP's first hero, and they had to work with it.

      Delsin on the other hand, was there to go beyond Cole's predetermined limits with his Power Absorption and extemely agile movements. He, in a certain sense, is Cole 2.0, just not at inFamous 2 Cole's level yet.

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    • I think Cole would have the upper hand to start because electricity is basically everywhere and it can be used in variety of different ways as seen in the first two infamous games plus it can evolve to a bigger scale as we know that Kessler who had the same powers as Cole manipulated electricity/electromagnetism to enable him to time travel in the first place. Then again Delsins has four different powers with different techniques of combat to chose from for each but should he try and absorb coles power it would render him vulnerable to attack as he cannot use his powers without blast cores so there you go the pros and cons Cole's electricity being a powerful energy with a general abundance of it and its capability to be used and shaped into a variety of different ways, but he is limited to ONE power only making his attacks predictable. Delsin being able to absorb powers and currently has four to choose from each with its individual strengths and weaknesses and being an expanded arsenal making it hard for him to be defeated due to the different ones to choose from making his next attacks hard to predict. However he needs to be near sources to draw from and his reliance to blast cores to actually use his powers when he gained them maeans that if he did try to take Coles powers during the fight he has no guarantee that there will be any cores near him making him an easy target

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    • i think delsin, cause cole is dead so delsin will have to fight a dead body

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    • Oh no, not another one of these topics...

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    • Delsin would probably be tempted to take Cole's power so I'd say Cole would win, even at his inFamous 1 state.

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    • TJR247 wrote:
      Delsin would probably be tempted to take Cole's power so I'd say Cole would win, even at his inFamous 1 state.

      Yeah he would.....after he had beaten Cole. Even if he didn't they would have the same power at the moment, meaning that hypothetically if he absorbed enough electricity (like when he was absorbing Neon to stop Fetch from gainnig power only to gain more) he could gain new powers just the same.

      Even if he didn't absorb Cole's power i'm pretty sure that Infamous 1 Cole couldn't beat Delsin. He was stronger in the second game.


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    • Can anyone please lock this? A flamewar is coming and we all know it.

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    • 65.43.197.44 wrote:
      TJR247 wrote:
      Delsin would probably be tempted to take Cole's power so I'd say Cole would win, even at his inFamous 1 state.
      Yeah he would.....after he had beaten Cole. Even if he didn't they would have the same power at the moment, meaning that hypothetically if he absorbed enough electricity (like when he was absorbing Neon to stop Fetch from gainnig power only to gain more) he could gain new powers just the same.

      Even if he didn't absorb Cole's power i'm pretty sure that Infamous 1 Cole couldn't beat Delsin. He was stronger in the second game.


      Nah, Cole would still whoop him. Delsin is too inexperienced, only had his powers for about 2 weeks (and was knocked out for most of it), Cole on the other hand had about a month to get used to his powers and evolve his. Plus, Delsin would need Core Relay's to evolve his power to the fullest being unable to switch to any other power. Plus, Delsin touches his hand and he's getting the power regardless if he want it or not. I'm sure Cole's not a homophobe so he'll use this knowledge to his advantage. Also, Hank states that Delsin can't take a punch, so one good right hook and (announcer voice) IT IS ALL OVER!!!


      Cole Wins...

      Flawless Victory...

      BRUTALITY!!!

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    • Just one more fact that I already stated earlier. Cole has an infinite source of electricity in the first one, as his basic bolt required no electricity. Keep that in mind.

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    • TJR247 wrote:
      65.43.197.44 wrote:
      TJR247 wrote:
      Delsin would probably be tempted to take Cole's power so I'd say Cole would win, even at his inFamous 1 state.
      Yeah he would.....after he had beaten Cole. Even if he didn't they would have the same power at the moment, meaning that hypothetically if he absorbed enough electricity (like when he was absorbing Neon to stop Fetch from gainnig power only to gain more) he could gain new powers just the same.

      Even if he didn't absorb Cole's power i'm pretty sure that Infamous 1 Cole couldn't beat Delsin. He was stronger in the second game.


      Nah, Cole would still whoop him. Delsin is too inexperienced, only had his powers for about 2 weeks (and was knocked out for most of it), Cole on the other hand had about a month to get used to his powers and evolve his. Plus, Delsin would need Core Relay's to evolve his power to the fullest being unable to switch to any other power. Plus, Delsin touches his hand and he's getting the power regardless if he want it or not. I'm sure Cole's not a homophobe so he'll use this knowledge to his advantage. Also, Hank states that Delsin can't take a punch, so one good right hook and (announcer voice) IT IS ALL OVER!!!


      Cole Wins...

      Flawless Victory...

      BRUTALITY!!!

      Experience doesn't mean sh*t in InFamous. Cole beat Kessler after having his powers for about a week even through kessler had decades of experience. Delsin beat augustine with a power he had for 30 minutes even tough she had 7 years of experience with it.

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    • God of nothing wrote:
      TJR247 wrote:
      65.43.197.44 wrote:
      TJR247 wrote:
      Delsin would probably be tempted to take Cole's power so I'd say Cole would win, even at his inFamous 1 state.
      Yeah he would.....after he had beaten Cole. Even if he didn't they would have the same power at the moment, meaning that hypothetically if he absorbed enough electricity (like when he was absorbing Neon to stop Fetch from gainnig power only to gain more) he could gain new powers just the same.

      Even if he didn't absorb Cole's power i'm pretty sure that Infamous 1 Cole couldn't beat Delsin. He was stronger in the second game.


      Nah, Cole would still whoop him. Delsin is too inexperienced, only had his powers for about 2 weeks (and was knocked out for most of it), Cole on the other hand had about a month to get used to his powers and evolve his. Plus, Delsin would need Core Relay's to evolve his power to the fullest being unable to switch to any other power. Plus, Delsin touches his hand and he's getting the power regardless if he want it or not. I'm sure Cole's not a homophobe so he'll use this knowledge to his advantage. Also, Hank states that Delsin can't take a punch, so one good right hook and (announcer voice) IT IS ALL OVER!!!


      Cole Wins...

      Flawless Victory...

      BRUTALITY!!!

      Experience doesn't mean sh*t in InFamous. Cole beat Kessler after having his powers for about a week even through kessler had decades of experience. Delsin beat augustine with a power he had for 30 minutes even tough she had 7 years of experience with.


      EDIT: also, Delsin touched Augustine without getting her powers in the bridge mission/

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    • God of nothing wrote:
      God of nothing wrote:
      TJR247 wrote:
      65.43.197.44 wrote:
      TJR247 wrote:
      Delsin would probably be tempted to take Cole's power so I'd say Cole would win, even at his inFamous 1 state.
      Yeah he would.....after he had beaten Cole. Even if he didn't they would have the same power at the moment, meaning that hypothetically if he absorbed enough electricity (like when he was absorbing Neon to stop Fetch from gainnig power only to gain more) he could gain new powers just the same.

      Even if he didn't absorb Cole's power i'm pretty sure that Infamous 1 Cole couldn't beat Delsin. He was stronger in the second game.


      Nah, Cole would still whoop him. Delsin is too inexperienced, only had his powers for about 2 weeks (and was knocked out for most of it), Cole on the other hand had about a month to get used to his powers and evolve his. Plus, Delsin would need Core Relay's to evolve his power to the fullest being unable to switch to any other power. Plus, Delsin touches his hand and he's getting the power regardless if he want it or not. I'm sure Cole's not a homophobe so he'll use this knowledge to his advantage. Also, Hank states that Delsin can't take a punch, so one good right hook and (announcer voice) IT IS ALL OVER!!!


      Cole Wins...

      Flawless Victory...

      BRUTALITY!!!

      Experience doesn't mean sh*t in InFamous. Cole beat Kessler after having his powers for about a week even through kessler had decades of experience. Delsin beat augustine with a power he had for 30 minutes even tough she had 7 years of experience with.


      EDIT: also, Delsin touched Augustine without getting her powers in the bridge mission/

      Well played, however. Delsin did touch Augustine, but not her hand (which I said would be necessary for the power to be consumed) and Cole had about a month before facing Kessler. As far for Delsin beating Augustine, well I have nothing to say :P

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    • im surprised that no one has brought up the fact that concrete is a poor conductor for electricity and in the original post it said in no part of the rules that there were doe D.U.P around the fight im not going to be biased or openionated and go "cole wins because coles electrity powers more awesome the delsins smoke powers" or "delins wins because he has more powers than cole" i just going to use facts fromm the GAMES not comics not machinimas GAMES. on dilsin's side of the argument we have  

      1.delsin can reforme himself in while using any power the is most easily shown when he takes a blow to the head and desolves after an orbital drop and easily reforms

      2. desin undinaianily has more munurverability the cole with his dash moves and with his varaity of thruster types

      3. pwoplw keep saying that cole will just drain the electricity from the neon and the video powersorces this is illogical neon is a gas that incased in glass and is made pretty via electricty even if cole drains the electricity the neons still in there for video it takes a while for cole to drain electricty from a place so while hes draining delsin can easily just a drain from the same place well coles draing there for they both theroticy get half of the energy each or b just go to another power sorce.

      on coles side we have.


      1. cole has been shown to have a viaraity of attacks with his electrokinisis abilitys and so he is more than apt for dlesins abilities

      2. electricity is alot more easier to locate that neon smoke video or concrete (concrete means D.U.P not the actual ground.)

      3.cole has his lightning storm move which deals EXTREAME damage but sucks alot of cole power.

      and with the things that could go wrong and turn bad for the user


      1. cole could miss delsin and hit a tv there fore giving delsin an advantage by powering it

      2. delsin could acedently touchs coles skin (from the game im asuming it has to be skin and not clothes) and render his powers useless

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      im surprised that no one has brought up the fact that concrete is a poor conductor for electricity and in the original post it said in no part of the rules that there were doe D.U.P around the fight im not going to be biased or openionated and go "cole wins because coles electrity powers more awesome the delsins smoke powers" or "delins wins because he has more powers than cole" i just going to use facts fromm the GAMES not comics not machinimas GAMES. on dilsin's side of the argument we have  

      1.delsin can reforme himself in while using any power the is most easily shown when he takes a blow to the head and desolves after an orbital drop and easily reforms

      2. desin undinaianily has more munurverability the cole with his dash moves and with his varaity of thruster types

      3. pwoplw keep saying that cole will just drain the electricity from the neon and the video powersorces this is illogical neon is a gas that incased in glass and is made pretty via electricty even if cole drains the electricity the neons still in there for video it takes a while for cole to drain electricty from a place so while hes draining delsin can easily just a drain from the same place well coles draing there for they both theroticy get half of the energy each or b just go to another power sorce.

      on coles side we have.


      1. cole has been shown to have a viaraity of attacks with his electrokinisis abilitys and so he is more than apt for dlesins abilities

      2. electricity is alot more easier to locate that neon smoke video or concrete (concrete means D.U.P not the actual ground.)

      3.cole has his lightning storm move which deals EXTREAME damage but sucks alot of cole power.

      and with the things that could go wrong and turn bad for the user


      1. cole could miss delsin and hit a tv there fore giving delsin an advantage by powering it

      2. delsin could acedently touchs coles skin (from the game im asuming it has to be skin and not clothes) and render his powers useless

      Delsin got Augustine's powers through touching her hand while she was wearing gloves

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      • sneaks behind Cole*
      • strangles with chain*

      VICTORY!!!

      (If Delsin can kill Hank with the chain without power in 15 seconds, with smoke to both burn Cole's neck and to simultaniously choke him in 5.)

      • Leeches power*
      • runs off and finds blast core relays*

      And then inFAMOUS: Second Son 2 is released.

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    • TJR247 wrote:
      God of nothing wrote:
      God of nothing wrote:
      TJR247 wrote:
      65.43.197.44 wrote:
      TJR247 wrote:
      Delsin would probably be tempted to take Cole's power so I'd say Cole would win, even at his inFamous 1 state.
      Yeah he would.....after he had beaten Cole. Even if he didn't they would have the same power at the moment, meaning that hypothetically if he absorbed enough electricity (like when he was absorbing Neon to stop Fetch from gainnig power only to gain more) he could gain new powers just the same.

      Even if he didn't absorb Cole's power i'm pretty sure that Infamous 1 Cole couldn't beat Delsin. He was stronger in the second game.


      Nah, Cole would still whoop him. Delsin is too inexperienced, only had his powers for about 2 weeks (and was knocked out for most of it), Cole on the other hand had about a month to get used to his powers and evolve his. Plus, Delsin would need Core Relay's to evolve his power to the fullest being unable to switch to any other power. Plus, Delsin touches his hand and he's getting the power regardless if he want it or not. I'm sure Cole's not a homophobe so he'll use this knowledge to his advantage. Also, Hank states that Delsin can't take a punch, so one good right hook and (announcer voice) IT IS ALL OVER!!!


      Cole Wins...

      Flawless Victory...

      BRUTALITY!!!

      Experience doesn't mean sh*t in InFamous. Cole beat Kessler after having his powers for about a week even through kessler had decades of experience. Delsin beat augustine with a power he had for 30 minutes even tough she had 7 years of experience with.


      EDIT: also, Delsin touched Augustine without getting her powers in the bridge mission/

      Well played, however. Delsin did touch Augustine, but not her hand (which I said would be necessary for the power to be consumed) and Cole had about a month before facing Kessler. As far for Delsin beating Augustine, well I have nothing to say :P

      He tried to grab augustine then she grabbed his arm and twisted it. So technically, he *did* touch her hand.

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    • That chain thing is extremely inaccurate. So, imagine the player is playing as both of them. What strategies would you use? Cole would keep Delsin out of range for that and stick to a power source/conserve electricity for the fight.

      I haven't played as Delsin yet, but I assume Neon=long range, Concrete=juggernaut, Video=agility, Smoke=short/mid range. and because of this kind of specificity, Delsin creates an attack pattern that is more predictable than Cole's

      Another thing to note is that compared to the Second Son Conduits, Cole is at least 2-3x more resistant than they are.

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    • I think Delsin would win because he has more powers and could just absorb Cole's powers if he's having trouble

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    • If delsin were to absorb coles power, would he gain the ability to absorb the bolts of lighting shot by cole?

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    • First we need to know where are they. There could be a 1,000 core rellays araund them. Just saying it depends basicly on every thing. Ok there could not be a 1,000 core relays but at least one or two and one of them can give Delsin the ionic storm. I really am on Cole's side but it could be anyone of them. If Cole was a vampire it had to be at night and Delsin can just turn dash behind Cole and stake him. Cole could fly with his vapire flight (don't remember the name) and would have a dash ability too even if it requiers blood. If Cole was a vampire and it was at night he could have won.

      Thinking about him Delsin is just a teenager when Cole has his power but thats beside the point.

      Really it depends on where are they. If they are in a desert with no electricity. What about that? The only way to know who will win is if we have two players that have the same expirience in infamous and see who would win. Of course this is inpossible so we'll never really know.

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    • Guys, there is one thing that we have to think on, while it's true that Delsin can absorb powers and use them, we don't know if they can evolve to reach the same level as the person he absorbed it from, rather he makes up for having a weaker version by having multiple powers, so it's quantity over quality.


      While Cole has probably some of the most evolved powers in the infamous universe, and we get a hint of what more powers he could get if he survived from the powers his future self used, even though he was an old man during the fight.

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    • 92.251.119.212 wrote:
      Guys, there is one thing that we have to think on, while it's true that Delsin can absorb powers and use them, we don't know if they can evolve to reach the same level as the person he absorbed it from, rather he makes up for having a weaker version by having multiple powers, so it's quantity over quality.


      While Cole has probably some of the most evolved powers in the infamous universe, and we get a hint of what more powers he could get if he survived from the powers his future self used, even though he was an old man during the fight.

      “Quantity has a quality all its own.” - Joesph Stalin

      Besides, Delsin only had his powers for a week (technically two weeks, but was recovering on the first week from his injuries), Cole had to develop his powers over the course of three weeks. Delsin has become proficient, at the least, with four powers in a week. He even asked Eugene to be taught Eugene's angel form, so at the very least it looks like he can be taught techniques from other Conduits.

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    • 2 words:


      Zeke wins.

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    • You know, a lot of people say Cole is more experienced and they only quote timeframe. Cole does have experience but in terms of fighting other conduits with varied powers and abilities. Delsin's main source of enemies is the DUP with the variation of Abigail (once), Eugene (once), Henry (I think twice) and then Augustine twice. Cole has had to deal with Reaper Conduits, Dust Men Armored and Golem Conduits, First Son Aura and Cloaking Conduits. These varied numbers of Conduits also means that he has to fight hordes of them. The only time that Delsin fights a large number of Conduits are the DUP sub-Conduits. That is why I give experience to Cole.

      Delsin has the advantage of versatility. There is no doubt about that. He can use the Neon to do hit and run. He can use the Concrete to move in. He can use the Video for laying down sheer area of damage. However, there is the fact that Delsin is limited. All it takes is for Cole to recognize "Okay, when he uses this, then I need to do that" to counter things. 

      Before someone complains about time, I need to remind you that you had to do that on the fly which means that Cole had to do that on the fly as well. Delsin knew, going into the fight (with the above noted exception of the singular Conduits), what his enemies could and could not do.

      I also need to go ahead and mention that I am a fan of both games so I am trying to point out the checks and balances for both.

      Delsin would take it to Cole. Delsin can lay down a huge amount of damage. Cole can take a lot of damage. Delsin cannot lay down enough to take out Cole, though since Cole has enough mobility and enough chances to heal his damage. Cole can lay the smackdown. That is, if he can actually HIT his target. Delsin would be all over the place. Cole would get in shots every so often. It would come down to the fact that these two would tear the city apart and drain out everything. 

      When it all comes down to it, I have to give it to Cole since he can take more and dish out more. He would be the Last Conduit Standing.

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    • This fight is impossible to call, there's too many variables in it with both very powerful Conduits with a lot of abilities. Delsin for one has four powers to choose from while Cole has one but he is experienced with it and knows how to use it to the fullest. But Delsin also has Karma Bombs that are shown to take down any enemy in the game no matter what while Cole only has Lightning Storm which Delsin can dodge with Light Speed, which lets him run circles around Cole and move across the battlefield. Infamous 1 Cole is outclassed when it comes to manuverbality but Cole can dish out more damage, he has his Megawatt Hammer which he can fire into the air and bring down around Delsin with a Lightning Bolt. I can make any point but in the end it comes down to which Conduit wants to win more than the other and how much damage they do, any fires and Delsin has smoke while Cole doesn't need energy to fire his Lightning Bolt. In the end this is all your personal opinion and mine is that it would be a tie, either they both would die or they'll be too exhausted to continue and pass out.   

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    • No way could Delsin ever beat Cole, he would own Delsin no matter what he did examples are below:

      Delsin turns into Smoke, Cole blasts him with an Electromagentic Shockwave.

      Delsin tries to use Neon, Cole sticks a Shock Grenade to him using Precision.

      Delsin uses Video and tries to hide and attack from behind, Cole brings down a Lightning Storm.

      Delsin uses Concrete, Cole blocks everything with a Polarity Wall and bombards Delsin with a Lightning Storm.

      Cole would completely destroy Delsin even if he uses his Karma Bombs on him, he's too durable even in Infamous 1 to die from that stuff.

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    • Delsin could beat Cole because Cole isn't on his level, examples are below:

      Cole needs a few minutes to deal with a Reaper, one of the weakest enemies in the game by the way, while Delsin takes down a fully armored DUP soldier in a few blows.

      Cole dies in water, Delsin can run on water with his dash moves.

      Cole has to have wires nearby to mvoe fast, Delsin can turn into Neon and run around an entire city in a few minutes.

      Cole brings down a Lightning Storm, Delsin blasts him with Neon, instantenous because it's light and light travels pretty fast.

      Delsin would own Cole in a fight and leave him crying on the ground by the end of it!

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    • There has been many good points given already and keeping those in mind, it's my personal belief that given the circumstances for more than one fight it's likely that even if Cole wins the first one, it's equally likely that Delsin could win the next one.

      Really it's a matter of chances and openings since their skill sets are pretty even.

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    • There are so many variables, but that doesn't mean it's still impossible to measure. No matter how quickly Delsin moves, moves like Overload Burts and Rockets could still have enough range horizontally to stop Delsin in his tracks.

      Also, though they're in Seattle, there are plenty of power lines and electrical wires for Cole to move from place to place as well as absorb from.

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    • One thing people seem to forget is the fact that Delsin's powers were developed naturally while Cole got his from the ray sphere, idk which person that gives the edge though

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    • 67.163.35.194 wrote:
      Delsin could beat Cole because Cole isn't on his level, examples are below:

      Cole needs a few minutes to deal with a Reaper, one of the weakest enemies in the game by the way, while Delsin takes down a fully armored DUP soldier in a few blows.

      Cole dies in water, Delsin can run on water with his dash moves.

      Cole has to have wires nearby to mvoe fast, Delsin can turn into Neon and run around an entire city in a few minutes.

      Cole brings down a Lightning Storm, Delsin blasts him with Neon, instantenous because it's light and light travels pretty fast.

      Delsin would own Cole in a fight and leave him crying on the ground by the end of it!

      Are you daft? Are you a Delsin fanboy? Have you even played the first inFAMOUS at all? At full upgrades on Hard Mode, a Good Karma Cole can kill a Reaper Conduit in three hits from his Lightning Bolt. Delsin needs at least four on Easy with full upgrades. And that's on a D.U.P. Pawn, no less.

      Yes, Cole dies in water, but saying he can't move across it? He has Static Thrusters! He could easily fly across a lake or pond. And don't bring up the ocean. Delsin cannot Smoke Dash or Light Speed or fly across the ocean. He falls in the water, he's helpless. Cole's Induction Grind moves far faster than Delsin's Light Speed; he can transverse the entire perimeter of an island of Empire City in nearly under a minute, while Delsin takes quite a while to move between blocks. Now, onto Lightning Storm vs Neon. Delsin would be blinded by a Lightning Storm, and severely wounded should he stand anywhere near it. And his neon attacks are instantaneous you say? If Delsin's neon travels at the speed of light, then the human eye would not be able to comprehend it, but yet it still can, not to mention the fact that since anything traveling at the speed of light has no mass, Delsin's neon would absolutely harmless. Delsin's neon attacks can easily be blocked by Cole's Polarity Wall. And if Cole summobs a Lightning Storm, as I mentioned earlier, Delsin would have no opportunity to do anything. Therefore, Cole will leave Delsin a charred corpse on the ground. You, sir, have made a completely invalid argument.

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    • 24.6.164.201 wrote:
      67.163.35.194 wrote:
      Delsin could beat Cole because Cole isn't on his level, examples are below:

      Cole needs a few minutes to deal with a Reaper, one of the weakest enemies in the game by the way, while Delsin takes down a fully armored DUP soldier in a few blows.

      Cole dies in water, Delsin can run on water with his dash moves.

      Cole has to have wires nearby to mvoe fast, Delsin can turn into Neon and run around an entire city in a few minutes.

      Cole brings down a Lightning Storm, Delsin blasts him with Neon, instantenous because it's light and light travels pretty fast.

      Delsin would own Cole in a fight and leave him crying on the ground by the end of it!

      Are you daft? Are you a Delsin fanboy? Have you even played the first inFAMOUS at all? At full upgrades on Hard Mode, a Good Karma Cole can kill a Reaper Conduit in three hits from his Lightning Bolt. Delsin needs at least four on Easy with full upgrades. And that's on a D.U.P. Pawn, no less.

      Yes, Cole dies in water, but saying he can't move across it? He has Static Thrusters! He could easily fly across a lake or pond. And don't bring up the ocean. Delsin cannot Smoke Dash or Light Speed or fly across the ocean. He falls in the water, he's helpless. Cole's Induction Grind moves far faster than Delsin's Light Speed; he can transverse the entire perimeter of an island of Empire City in nearly under a minute, while Delsin takes quite a while to move between blocks. Now, onto Lightning Storm vs Neon. Delsin would be blinded by a Lightning Storm, and severely wounded should he stand anywhere near it. And his neon attacks are instantaneous you say? If Delsin's neon travels at the speed of light, then the human eye would not be able to comprehend it, but yet it still can, not to mention the fact that since anything traveling at the speed of light has no mass, Delsin's neon would absolutely harmless. Delsin's neon attacks can easily be blocked by Cole's Polarity Wall. And if Cole summobs a Lightning Storm, as I mentioned earlier, Delsin would have no opportunity to do anything. Therefore, Cole will leave Delsin a charred corpse on the ground. You, sir, have made a completely invalid argument.

      So what if he's a Delsin fanboy, you are a Cole fanboy. Honestly Cole couldn't beat Delsin if he couldn't catch him and there are little to no rails to Induction Grind on. Also Delsin has a large vertical advantage based in his dashes. Most of Coles' attacks can be countered by Delsin. 

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    • Take it easy you too or I will be handing out bans!

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    • Seriously though. Geez.

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    • 67.163.35.194 wrote:
      Delsin could beat Cole because Cole isn't on his level, examples are below:

      Cole needs a few minutes to deal with a Reaper, one of the weakest enemies in the game by the way, while Delsin takes down a fully armored DUP soldier in a few blows.

      Cole dies in water, Delsin can run on water with his dash moves.

      Cole has to have wires nearby to mvoe fast, Delsin can turn into Neon and run around an entire city in a few minutes.

      Cole brings down a Lightning Storm, Delsin blasts him with Neon, instantenous because it's light and light travels pretty fast.

      Delsin would own Cole in a fight and leave him crying on the ground by the end of it!

      Your arguements are invalid because your statements are false, examples are below:                                                 1. Cole only needs three lightning Bolts (or one, if a head shot), not a few minutes to take down a standard Reaper.                                                                                                                                                                                           2. Cole may die in water, but Delsin can NOT Light Speed/Video Surge/Smoke Dash over water, and is helpess in water.                                                                                                                                                                                              3. Delsin's Light Speed and Radiant Sweep are not instantaneous. That would mean they move at the speed of light, which they don't. If they were, it wouldn't be visible. Delsin's Light speed isn't even as fast as the trains in the Seattle Metro. Cole activates his Lightning Storm slightly quicker than Delsin's Radiant Sweep.                                      Not sayin Cole would win. Just pointing out the horrible flaws in your arguement.                            

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    • @CAS

      I think that guy might be trolling, CAS. If you look at the post past the other he says that Cole will win and 4 minutes later he made the post you are quoting.

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    • If that's the case he's just trying to start fights. 

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    • 72.27.135.29 wrote:
      24.6.164.201 wrote:
      67.163.35.194 wrote:
      Delsin could beat Cole because Cole isn't on his level, examples are below:

      Cole needs a few minutes to deal with a Reaper, one of the weakest enemies in the game by the way, while Delsin takes down a fully armored DUP soldier in a few blows.

      Cole dies in water, Delsin can run on water with his dash moves.

      Cole has to have wires nearby to mvoe fast, Delsin can turn into Neon and run around an entire city in a few minutes.

      Cole brings down a Lightning Storm, Delsin blasts him with Neon, instantenous because it's light and light travels pretty fast.

      Delsin would own Cole in a fight and leave him crying on the ground by the end of it!

      Are you daft? Are you a Delsin fanboy? Have you even played the first inFAMOUS at all? At full upgrades on Hard Mode, a Good Karma Cole can kill a Reaper Conduit in three hits from his Lightning Bolt. Delsin needs at least four on Easy with full upgrades. And that's on a D.U.P. Pawn, no less.

      Yes, Cole dies in water, but saying he can't move across it? He has Static Thrusters! He could easily fly across a lake or pond. And don't bring up the ocean. Delsin cannot Smoke Dash or Light Speed or fly across the ocean. He falls in the water, he's helpless. Cole's Induction Grind moves far faster than Delsin's Light Speed; he can transverse the entire perimeter of an island of Empire City in nearly under a minute, while Delsin takes quite a while to move between blocks. Now, onto Lightning Storm vs Neon. Delsin would be blinded by a Lightning Storm, and severely wounded should he stand anywhere near it. And his neon attacks are instantaneous you say? If Delsin's neon travels at the speed of light, then the human eye would not be able to comprehend it, but yet it still can, not to mention the fact that since anything traveling at the speed of light has no mass, Delsin's neon would absolutely harmless. Delsin's neon attacks can easily be blocked by Cole's Polarity Wall. And if Cole summobs a Lightning Storm, as I mentioned earlier, Delsin would have no opportunity to do anything. Therefore, Cole will leave Delsin a charred corpse on the ground. You, sir, have made a completely invalid argument.

      So what if he's a Delsin fanboy, you are a Cole fanboy. Honestly Cole couldn't beat Delsin if he couldn't catch him and there are little to no rails to Induction Grind on. Also Delsin has a large vertical advantage based in his dashes. Most of Coles' attacks can be countered by Delsin. 

      Nope. Cole's attacks are too accurate and devastatingly powerful for that. Try again. And I'm no fanboy. I'm just stating facts. And who said Cole's Induction Grind is limited to rails? He has wires, idiot. And a vertical advantage? Cole has Precision. He can tag Delsin easily.

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    • PariahParadox wrote:
      @CAS

      I think that guy might be trolling, CAS. If you look at the post past the other he says that Cole will win and 4 minutes later he made the post you are quoting.

      Well, he should stop.

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    • Also, it's annoying me that everyone is saying neon is light based. It's gas/heat based. That's like saying concrete is light based just because it also gives off light. Neon is a gas that glows and gets hot when exposed to an electric current because electricity ionizes neon. The light doesn't harm them. Scientifically, the thing that would be harmful would be the heat and the density of the gas beam, not the light. Not trying to start another arguement. Just pointing it out.

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    • ConduitAssassinSentinel wrote:
      Also, it's annoying me that everyone is saying neon is light based. It's gas/heat based. That's like saying concrete is light based just because it also gives off light. Neon is a gas that glows and gets hot when exposed to an electric current because electricity ionizes neon. The light doesn't harm them. Scientifically, the thing that would be harmful would be the heat and the density of the gas beam, not the light. Not trying to start another arguement. Just pointing it out.


      Here's one article where one of the developer's blatantly says neon is light. http://www.capsulecomputers.com.au/2013/10/infamous-second-son-interview-with-brand-development-director-ken-schramm/

      Ninth paragraph down:

      "I’m very intrigued to see more about neon, because on first consideration, some may think of it as a fairly passive power…"

      "Yeah, neon… light. Light’s not so passive if you… there’s lots of things you could do with light; there’s speed, there’s power. I mean, you could imagine… you’re trying to get me to say more about what’s going on with neon! [Laughs] I get it. Good job, good job."

      Even the names and descriptions of the powers Neon give away its nature.

      Light Speed-Hold O to transform into a blazing streak of Neon light. Useful for crossing the city or escaping combat to recover. Runs over obstacles and directly up walls.

      Phospher Beam-Press and Hold R1 to charge and fire an intense beam of searing light. Useful for destroying enemy equipment and vehicles, but requires Heavy Ammo.

      Laser Insight, Laser Focus

      Not to mention characters refer Fetch as Laser Girl.

      Why does everbody say Neon is a Plasma/Gas based power when the proof is right in front of them that it is a light based?

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    • We've been saying that Neon as an element is plasma/gasious. In the form that it is in-game it is light based. Which is why, in earlier speculation, we thought that maybe there would be more versatility between different forms of Neon.

      But why Conduit says that the damage is heat/pressure based, even after that interview, I have no defense for.

      EDIT: Sorry if this seems very two-sided. I reread the conversation and viewed it differently the second time

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    • Ccnitro wrote:
      We've been saying that Neon as an element is plasma/gasious. In the form that it is in-game it is light based. Which is why, in earlier speculation, we thought that maybe there would be more versatility between different forms of Neon.

      But why Conduit says that the damage is heat/pressure based, even after that interview, I have no defense for.

      EDIT: Sorry if this seems very two-sided. I reread the conversation and viewed it differently the second time


      I was expecting Plasma and Light based powers from Neon too but apparently that never happened.

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    • PariahParadox wrote:
      ConduitAssassinSentinel wrote:
      Also, it's annoying me that everyone is saying neon is light based. It's gas/heat based. That's like saying concrete is light based just because it also gives off light. Neon is a gas that glows and gets hot when exposed to an electric current because electricity ionizes neon. The light doesn't harm them. Scientifically, the thing that would be harmful would be the heat and the density of the gas beam, not the light. Not trying to start another arguement. Just pointing it out.

      Here's one article where one of the developer's blatantly says neon is light.

      http://www.capsulecomputers.com.au/2013/10/infamous-second-son-interview-with-brand-development-director-ken-schramm/

      Ninth paragraph down:

      "I’m very intrigued to see more about neon, because on first consideration, some may think of it as a fairly passive power…"

      "Yeah, neon… light. Light’s not so passive if you… there’s lots of things you could do with light; there’s speed, there’s power. I mean, you could imagine… you’re trying to get me to say more about what’s going on with neon! [Laughs] I get it. Good job, good job."

      Even the names and descriptions of the powers Neon give away its nature.

      Light Speed-Hold O to transform into a blazing streak of Neon light. Useful for crossing the city or escaping combat to recover. Runs over obstacles and directly up walls.

      Phospher Beam-Press and Hold R1 to charge and fire an intense beam of searing light. Useful for destroying enemy equipment and vehicles, but requires Heavy Ammo.

      Laser Insight, Laser Focus

      Not to mention characters refer Fetch as Laser Girl.

      Why does everbody say Neon is a Plasma/Gas based power when the proof is right in front of them that it is a light based?

      Because neon is a gas. Plain and simple. A gas cannot be light; it can only give off light.

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    • ^that was me. Ken apparently doesn't really know what neon is. The power is is called neon because you control neon, which is a gas. 

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    • ConduitAssassinSentinel wrote:
      ^that was me. Ken apparently doesn't really know what neon is. The power is is called neon because you control neon, which is a gas. 

      Even when it is ionized (glowing), it is still a gas. If he's controlling purely light, then SP shouldn't have called it neon.  EDIT: Actually, when it is ionized, it is considered a plasma, which links it closer to fire than light.

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    • The only way his neon power could be considered light-based is if his power worked like a gas laser, in which case, it would be completely nonlethal. Read: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_laser and http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium%E2%80%93neon_laser

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    • This is where we strattle the line between gameplay and real life. Could someone really turn into a cloud of smoke then reappear in the same form? Almost a zero possability. But could someone maybe be able to turn some parts of their body into an element and heal by getting some of it? Possibly.

      I'd say gas laser is our closest link to in game Neon, wit the idea of it being similar, just nonlethal.

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    • I agree. This debate is pretty pointless. :P

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    • @CAS and Ccnitro

      Bringing up scientific explanations about how powers work in a forum about videogame superheroes is pretty pointless.

      Keep in mind that Conduits in Second Son can manipulate a very specific energy or matter. Fetch can only absorb light from a glowing noble gas.

      CAS, I do agree that SP shouldn't have called Neon light, but when you think about it the light that Neon gives off comes to mind more often rather than the Periodic Table of Elements as an association of thought. Also, if they did have a traditional light based power, it wouldn't be with the aesthetic as the other urban theme powers plus it would be difficult to balance out the sources for a light power (powerful during the day and almost powerless during night for example).

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    • I do agree with that.

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    • I think the ray sphere provides more "potent" powers that develop a lot quicker and can evolve to higher levels than powers that were developed naturally. Look at Kessler's powers at the end of infamous, he has what like five or six powers total (at least that he revealed) with decades of training while Cole had already developed 7 or 8. Not a very big difference unless you look at the timespan each had. Who knows what Cole's powers could have reached had he lived through another game. That being said I believe Cole is the more powerful conduit although Delsin would still have a shot.

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    • Simmer down, all of you! Delsin wins. The fun one ALWAYS wins!

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    • Deadpool in X-Men Origins: Wolverine? Dobby from Harry Potter? Granted thesecond is a bit of a weak example, but he got stabbed throught the heart.

      Fun one doesn't always win. And besides, while Cole was a bit 'grave' at times, that doesn't mean he wasn't at least somewhat a joker.

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    • Infamous 1 Cole: Serious, Dark, Moody, Concern with the Well being of his friends/love ones, wanted to get out of Empire City with said love ones/friends. Status at the end: Alive

      Infamous 2 Cole:Still Serious but has a much lighter side to him than in the previous game, has time to kick back, drink beers and watch TV. Status at the end:DEAD.

      See Cole was more fun in the sequel and died at the end. (Good Ending is canonical)

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    • I love Cole,maybe I haven't played the second or the whole game of the first,just went to a rental,play for awhile, and watch walkthroughs,but I still say Cole,Delsin is pretty awesome,I love rule breaker guys,but still,no one,no conduit could replace him,I mean he is exactly like what PariahParadox said,he's dark moody serious and caring to his friends or loves ones.I only can't believe that he's dead,I mean come on! An awesome protagonist that we played two times and we loved died?!? It's unacceptable!!!!But at least he died a hero,not a villain.

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    • Cole killed thousands of Conduits, sure he saved millions of people, but I hardy call him heroic. The final choice was between killing people and killing more people. I'm going to be a killer anyway so I might as well save the Conduits and stay alive. Plus if they used the partially charged RFI they could have saved some normal people.

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    • If you have to deliberate between sacrificing yourself along with a few million people or killing billions of people with a Plague you caused, and you choose the former, then you are a hero in my book.

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    • Is it really ok to sacrifice innocent people to save more people? If Cole were the only one to die I would definitely say that he was a hero, but he made a decision that wasn't his to make. That's what I think.

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    • Italian. The needs of the MANY outweight the needs of the FEW.

      Cole [canonically] killing a few thousand people for the BILLIONS of others was the right thing to do.

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    • I was wondering who would be the first to quote Spock. However I've come to the conclusion that Cole did the best he could in that situation, even though he killed some people in the process. However even if he did the right thing that does not make him a hero in my eyes. That's what I think.

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    • Good and evil, hero and villain. Light and darkness. It's only a certain point of view. From my point of view the Empire was evil since they slaughtered millions of people in the pursuit of power. However to someone else's POV, the Empire was preventing over population. So...

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    • I get what you're saying, however the game specifically calls it the heroic thing, but what I saw was a gray/black choice. There was no really heroic thing to do, just a gray choice. Between gray and black I would also choose gray, but I wouldn't go around telling people I chose white. If that makes sense.

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    • I see what you're saying, and many Conduits should have had a say in whether they would see their non-Conduit families die, or be able to sacrifice themselves for the sake of humanity.

      However, the world, like at most times, doesn't leave much time for preparation between the warning and "the day of reckoning". From Cole's point of view, he had numerous Conduits and non-Conduits on his side trying to stop the Beast, even knowing that they would die if they succeeded, and Nix even sacrificed herself for the cause. The only opposition was the Beast and Kuo, who, might I add, knew it was the right choice, but just didn't want to die.

      There's actually a really cool psychological paradox  that could fit into this situation nicely. And I suppose there could have been a gray choice, but then again, that's not inFamous

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    • Interesting paradox, it's really hard to choose, but in the end one has to save the five people and deal with the fact that he did what had to be done. However if you think the one person can heal other people it gets even more difficult to choose.

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    • While it doesn't necessarily show which one was morally right, it is shown by the overwhelming choice to save the five people that in our society, if action can save five lives but cause the death of another, it is considered morally good.

      One problem with this for comparing it to the Final Decision is the fact that Cole has to choose between Good and Evil and I would consider the inaction part of the paradox to be considered a grey area.

      I do understand how he killed millions of people without consent, but the alternative would have thrown the world into chaos, and from his standpoint along with that of the general populace, his choice was considered "heroic" 

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    • @Conitro,true,he may sacrifice some of the conduits,but he saved million people by that action and that is supposed to be catagorized as heroic,I mean people said sacrifice some to safe many,it might sounded a little crazy and mean,but for saving million people,why not? I mean,you're right,even if he saved conduits,maybe it would throw a this big,massive chaos into the world since they had unusual and great power and ability while humans have nothing but a normal being,they could've just killed human by their power if some human hate them.They could kill each other,you know...so,your opinion is good.

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    • It goes back to the idea of "herosim" in my opinion. In my view, being worthy of power is to be perfect. Some good person with power might help some, but not all, of people and say, "well it would have been a lot worse without me so be grateful". But if the power was given to a person without selfishness, he would have saved the people who would have otherwise died with the "good" imperfect hero.

      Basically, while Cole technically does save lives in the evil ending, more people died than were saved.

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    • Jim Logan wrote:
      Italian. The needs of the MANY outweight the needs of the FEW.

      Cole [canonically] killing a few thousand people for the BILLIONS of others was the right thing to do.


      True, besides, what's more important? having a crapton of power, or the mass cure of a disease? If it were up to me, I'd pick the mass cure of a disease.......

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    • 174.3.181.87 wrote:
      Jim Logan wrote:
      Italian. The needs of the MANY outweight the needs of the FEW.

      Cole [canonically] killing a few thousand people for the BILLIONS of others was the right thing to do.


      True, besides, what's more important? having a crapton of power, or the mass cure of a disease? If it were up to me, I'd pick the mass cure of a disease.......


      Having a crapton of power IS the cure...the plague was a gift to rout out the TRUE disease...Human weakness. HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!!!!

      Melodrama aside, Cole made a extreme gamble on powering the RFI, what if it didn't stop the plague but killed off the only chance (Conduits) humans had of surviving the plague. What if another plague or armageddon like event that only Conduits would have survive would have come about?

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    • Well isn't it better to take the risk if they were all going to die any way? Besides, Wolfe was an expert on Ray Field Energy and similar radiations, so odds were in their favor that the RFI would work.

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    • Ccnitro wrote:
      Well isn't it better to take the risk if they were all going to die any way? Besides, Wolfe was an expert on Ray Field Energy and similar radiations, so odds were in their favor that the RFI would work.


      Humans were going to die not activated Conduits, considering that Cole found out that Wolfe was setting him up to die, it was in one of the Dead Drops, you would have to have an unusual amount of faith in a person's invention to clear away the plague when it was untested up at that point. I guess it's Good Guy thing to have blind faith and conviction to have something work in your favor especially when the device was made by somebody who doesn't tell you that it will kill you.

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    • Humans were going to die of the Plague as you and I said. And when you know something is wrong, but you can only stop it one particular way, wonuldn't you instantly try that strategy before anything else? 

      Not to mention, there were multiple testimonies of Wolfe's expert as both an inventor and in the field of Ray Field Energy.

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    • Wolfe was indeed an expert in the Ray Field Energy field, but in one Dead Drop even he had his doubts that the RFI will work, just because he was an expert doesn't mean he's perfect.

      Cole already saw a solution with John's powers. So why go with something that is untested and may kill off the only chance humans(Conduits and otherwise) have to survive?

      SP wanted to originally wanted to go with the Evil Karma ending because it set up the world in a good way with Conduits running around but the Good Karma ending was chosen due to Trophy data. SP went with an explanation that some Conduits did survive the RFI and some ordinary people infected with the plague that when the RFI energy passed over them it mutated them into a Conduit.

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    • Didn't know about that last bit. I should really get Second Son. And maybe a PS4.

      While John's method was proven, Cole saw it as too immoral to be his first option, and Conduits were turned loose on the world, society would collapse and anarchy would set in. I guess, and now were just inferring here, that Cole though it was better to find a solution that is morally good and there be a chance it wouldn't work, than to commit this really evil deed and it have a 99.9% guarantee. 

      So yeah, pretty much the "Good Guy blind faith" sums it up perfectly.

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    • I just got the InFAMOUS Collection about a month back. I've 100%'d InFAMOUS 2, and I'm at 85% on Infamous. Both choices in Infamous 2 were gray. The Good had you sacrificing a few thousand people (as stated by Zeke in the final cutscene) to save millions, while the Evil one had Cole murdering billions of people to save a few thousand (that are known of). The Good one, however, I believe was more right than the Evil one. Who wouldn't sacrifice themselves to save their families and friends? The Evil one, however, has Cole murdering billions of unwilling people to save maybe a few million that were unconfirmed by Zeke. However, the RFI obviously did not achieve its true goal to erase all Conduits as Wolfe intended, as Delsin himself was around 17 at the time of when the RFI went off.

      Back on topic, however, I believe Cole could defeat Delson in the above conditions. Cole had a few weeks to focus on his one power, whil Delsin had a single week to focus on all four of his. Cole has almost certainly figured out the ins  and outs of his power and grown used to it, while Delsin had to adjust to four powers in a short time, so his knowledge of said powers is most likely scattered between the four. Also, people keep bringing up Delsin's chain in CQC. Has it occured to nobody that Cole could zap the chain, which would electrocute Delsin? While Delsin is down, he could throw in a few Megawatt Hammers, critically injuring Delsin, or merely use a Lightning Storm, bringing Delsin to the brink of death. Or, if he's desperate, he could Bio-Leech Delsin before he has a chance to absorb his powers, or use Arc Restraint on Delsin and then just zap Lightning Bolts at him until he's dead.

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    • @Harbringer9878

      "The Good one, however, I believe was more right than the Evil one. Who wouldn't sacrifice themselves to save their families and friends? The Evil one, however, has Cole murdering billions of unwilling people to save maybe a few million that were unconfirmed by Zeke. However, the RFI obviously did not achieve its true goal to erase all Conduits as Wolfe intended, as Delsin himself was around 17 at the time of when the RFI went off."

      Yes, the good ending is the more ideal one, but if people didn't know what the RFI could do beyond killing nearby Conduits due to it being untested and you already know of a solution that works, would you really risk it? Like what I said, blind Good Guy faith.

      Topic wise, I still say it could go either way, Cole has more power focus into his one ability, Delsin has two powers that function without electricity (Neon and Video both rely on the flow of electricity to power their sources) not to mention, even though they are called Core Relays Delsin refers to them as a Blast Core at one point, Delsin seems to absorb Cores much faster than Cole, while Cole suffers seemingly hours of time when pops open a Blast Core.

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    • Blast Cores are only in Infamous 2. This Cole in this thread is Infamous 1 Hero Cole. If it was Infamous 2 Cole, Delsin would have his butt kicked exceptionally fast. 

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    • Hey, all I am doing is telling the truth. At least, Core Relays/Blast Cores make more sense for a Conduit to gain more powers, since both of them are concentrated Ray Field Energy, than Cole turning on the power in (yuck) sewer levels.

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    • I think Delsin would beat I1 Cole because of his extreme mobility. However, I2 Cole would mop the floor with Delsin.

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    • I have been thinking about Delsin's power absorption. If he does manage to absorb Cole's power it could be a major shift in power. Just think. The time when Delsin absorbed Fetch's neon power he only gained the dash. Only when he absorbed those neon signs was when he received the neon beam. According to the arena description there are power sources EVERYWHERE. If Delsin can absorb enough electricity sources before Cole can kill him, Delsin could get some of Cole's most powerful attacks. Heck if it is I2 Cole Delsin could maybe even receive some ice powers.

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    • D'ya think Cole would let him get close enough?

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    • How would power absorption work with I2 Cole? Would he get both ice and electricity, or just one of the two?

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    • Ccnitro wrote:
      How would power absorption work with I2 Cole? Would he get both ice and electricity, or just one of the two?

      I think Delsin would get both, but more electricity than ice. His ice powers would be much weaker than Cole's power, as Cole's main power is electricity.

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    • Remember that Delsin ONLY gets the power that is natural from a Prime Conduit. All the DUPs are conduits with their natural power dormant or overwritten by Augustine's concrete power that's why Delsin can't drain them for the concrete power. Cole got Ice powers from Kuo, so Delsin would only get Electricity from Cole not Ice.

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    • I can't really remember from not playing the game cries quietly to himself. 

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    • @Ccnitro

      "Please no more tears, they are a waste of good suffering."

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    • I swear, half of the replies have "Delsin has the chain blah blah blah." His chain is metal, correct? That means Cole could zap his chain to electrocute Delsin.

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    • Harbinger9878 wrote:
      I swear, half of the replies have "Delsin has the chain blah blah blah." His chain is metal, correct? That means Cole could zap his chain to electrocute Delsin.


      I don't really see these replies that say that but I don't see this as a factor for Delsin when he is using his Smoke powers. Temperature plays a role in the electric conductivity of metals. The hotter a metal gets the more resistance it has. I guess Delsin luck out as other Smoke conduits don't have control over fire and hot ash.

      Video and Concrete don't utilize the chain for their melee attacks and Concrete should have an advantage over electricity because it is essentially a rock.

      Plus, I like the Chain, at least it isn't as stupid and cheesy looking like the Amp.

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    • I like the Chain as well. It matches with Delsin's rebel attitude and appearance. Also in close combat the Chain could probably beat the Amp with Neon intwined in it. It's sharper and more flexible. Plus it looks and sounds like a lightsaber.

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    • Would you say Delsin's native power is smoke? Despite the chains increased resistance, Cole can put, what, 50 thousand volts through it?

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    • TBH, I don't like adding physics logic to superhero fiction. If we apply physics to even Cole's basic attack, Cole wouldn't have enough voltage to breakdown the air into plasma, First you would multiply the meters by 3,000,000 V/m, which would allow breakdown of the air without loss voltage. 50 thousand volts wouldn't even get out very far. Lead batteries in cars only have 24 volts in them, way too little.

      Smoke does conduct electricity which people automatically interpret as damage, but consider this the only way for electricity to deal damage is to create heat from resistance. Since Delsin's Smoke powers come with Fire Manipulation as part of the package deal and Delsin himself doesn't seem to mind holding on to his chain as it gets red hot. Not to mention Delsin can transform into Smoke, thus it should negate a large portion of Cole's attacks. The only attacks from electricity that would have any effect are Shockwaves or Grenades/Rockets while Delsin is in human form, but considering Delsin can just transform into Smoke I question whether or not Cole can actually harm Del.

      I just don't like adding physics to fiction. What a mess. :p

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    • So if physics were added the only Cole could beat Delsin is with his Cyrogenesis powers. Then again Delsin's Smoke powers could maybe melt the ice if it is at a high enough temperature.

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    • Also another things for physics fighting. If Delsin used his Neon power with the Chain Cole's electricity could not affect it. Neon is subclass of the matter plasma. Since plasma is basically gas with electricity intwined in it, Neon could balance the battle in Delsin's favor. Also if Delsin turns into Neon he could possibly be able to absorb Cole's blasts.

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    • Except that he doesn't have his cryokinesis powers, this is iF1 Cole.

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    • Then Delsin wins

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    • The whole InFAMOUS series basically throws physics out the window. People can't manipulate the elements, gas, or anything, people can't survove a jump from a 4 story building, people can't survive an RPG or getting hit by a train, Actually, videogames in general throw physics out of the window. Might as well leave them out of this. 

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    • He does raise a valid point. Delsin seems to get more out of smoke than most smoke Conduits do, with the ability to control both fire and ash. And because of this, he would have increased resistance to any heating of the chain, as well as heating of the air around him.

      So let's say Cole Lightning Storm'd him. I'd say that it would probably cause, if we were working on a meter basis, 1/8 to 1/6 of his health if it actually hit him. With his increased mobility, Cole is limited to his quicker/more versatile powers than his heavier hitting ones.

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    • He does raise a valid point. Delsin seems to get more out of smoke than most smoke Conduits do, with the ability to control both fire and ash. And because of this, he would have an increased resistance to any heating of the chain or the air around him.

      So let's say Cole Lightning Storm'd him. I'd say that it would probably cause, if we were working on a meter basis, 1/8 to 1/6 of his health if it actually hit him. With his increased mobility, Cole is limited to his quicker/more versatile powers than his heavier hitting ones.

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    • @Harbringer9878

      You have to have some kind of basis for how something works. Besides, the Infamous series doesn't do away with all physics, Conduits have to draw some form of matter/energy from the environment to use their powers and project that energy back into reality.

      I do agree that it is silly.

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    • @Ccnitro

      That is one of the reasons I like Delsin's powers, they are more undefined and harder to pin down what exactly they can and can not do.

      Normal Wood Smoke mostly consists of soot and carbon oxides, but it seems that Delsin can absorb Smoke energy from anything, You can take Smoke from tear gas grenades, there are plenty of tear gas compounds and some of them are complex organic compounds.

      One of the upgrades Delsin can get is called "Sulfur Headshots" implying that he has some control over the chemical composition of his smoke shot. There are also corrosion/corrosive factors to smoke especially if it contains acidic compounds like hydrogen fluoride.

      Not to mention that Delsin also gets Fire Manipulation out of it. There is an article I found from this fire fighter's website where it makes mention of a type of smoke called "black fire" Here is a quote: "Finally, smoke that is high volume, turbulent velocity, super thick and black should be called "black fire." Black fire is a sure sign of impending autoignition and flashover. The smoke itself is doing all the destruction that flames would cause: charring, heat damage to steel, content destruction and victim death. Black fire can reach temperatures of more than 1,000 degrees F!"

      EDIT: Link to quote: http://www.firefighternation.com/article/where-theres-smoke

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    • Ionic Storm Kills

      Cole wins

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    • 182.74.40.14 wrote:
      Ionic Storm Kills

      Cole wins


      That's Infamous 2 Cole, this fight is versus Infamous 1 Cole.

      EDIT: Plus it is hard to judge whether Ionic Storm will have any effect since Conduits like NIx take very little damage from Ionic Storm in game.

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    • So I guess a summary would be as follows; inFamous Cole is dominated by Delsin, while inFamous 2 Cole, though winning a close fight, can handle Delsin much better.

      Unless someone (like Pariah) has a different opinion on it, in which case, I'd love to hear it.

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    • Lightning Storm in Infamous 1 kills Conduits very fast, though.

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    • As we've seen, Delsin is not one of those average, run-of-the-mill Conduits, so he could be hit by a Lightning Storm 

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    • Ccnitro wrote:
      So I guess a summary would be as follows; inFamous Cole is dominated by Delsin, while inFamous 2 Cole, though winning a close fight, can handle Delsin much better.

      Unless someone (like Pariah) has a different opinion on it, in which case, I'd love to hear it.


      TBH I want to hear why you think Infamous 2 Cole can beat Del. Cole in 2 seemed to be more vulnerable in that game than in 1, more so than Delsin. With lightning tether and ice launch, Cole's mobility still pales to that of Delsin's. Ionic Storm, despite the fact that it lacks control from Lightning Storm, still has the advantage of striking the largest target and instantly strikes, so i definitely see the advantage from that, but I figure that since Cole has to be outside for it to work and it doesn't seem to be able to go through asphalt and concrete, Delsin can just go with the Concrete power set.

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    • I just rembered something else. If they're both at their peak, if Cole hits Delsin with a Shock Grenade, he'll get Arc Restrained.

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    • You can't say an Ionic Storm wouldn't kill Delsin it would quite easily at that. It not working on Nix or Kuo is a GAMEPLAY mechanic and is completely irrelevent to the fact both Nix and Kuo would also be killed by an Ionic Storm. Delsin is completely outmatched in a fight against either karma of inFAMOUS 2 Cole. Any of Cole's Ionic abilities would massacre Delsin, and unlike Delsin, Cole has durability feats. Delsin was knocked unconscious by getting stabbed in the leg with rock, so he will not par with Cole very well. He struggled with Augustine who honestly was around Alden Tate level lmao. Also, Cole's weaker version of the Ionic Storm (the lightning he could summon in the first game) was able to kill Kessler and Kessler is >>>>>>>> Delsin, so again yes Ionic Storm is a good alternative if say Delsin were to give Cole any trouble. Unlikely, as Cole is arguably just as versatile as Delsin. Cole can also switch between his electricity and ice without having to do anything drastic like Delsin, who will be looking around for a power source to find a good enough power to do anything against Cole. Which really none of them will have any effect on Cole. Video won't do anything due to the fact it's linked with electricity, Neon is more or less a weaker version of Cole's electricity and besides speed I don't think it will give Delsin any kind of advantage, Smoke will just sign Delsin's death warrant because there is no range on that thing and he is not able to go intagible like people think... Concrete would be his only chance against Cole, however he needs D.U.P soldiers for that and since this is only Cole vs Delsin that will not be an option. Not to mention Cole could soak it all up with his ice shield. Cole can manipulate gravity and slow down time, not to mention freeze and electrocute Delsin which are both very good ways of killing him. He can summon a TORNADO. Even with Neon, Delsin is not dodging an Ionic Freeze, he could possibly dodge an Ionic Vortex depending the distance between him and Cole when he throws it but eh. Ionic Storm locks onto the opponent so there's no way in hell Delsin can dodge that. Also Delsin's chain isn't going to do much against Cole, a military chopper bashed into Cole's head as he was on top of a speeding car, and Cole got up barely even phased. So yeah. Not to mention Cole one-shotted a chopper while he was falling unconscious (he had just absorbed a blast core) So seriously, anybody who thinks Delsin can win is seriously a few screws short of a workbench. His only chance at hurting Cole is concrete and an orbital drop, but like I said concrete won't work here and orbital drop could easily be countered/dodged by Cole so GG Delsin.

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    • Keep in mind, this is iF1 Cole, and a good portion of the evidence you gave for Cole's "massacring" of Delsin are from the second game.

      Kessler, albeit a strong Conduit, wanted multiple things out of the final battle: Cole to be strong enough to face the Beast, so we assume that he wouldn't go full power if he wanted to give him a chance. He also weakened by his old age, and seeing as all he did was set up the conditions for Cole's powers and their growth, he was most likely out of practice.

      While their origins are technology based, I'm not sure how usable Neon and Video are to Cole. 

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    • Ionic Storm not working on Kuo/Nix is a gameplay mechanic than, according to your logic, Delsin should be able to draw out Concrete from the urban landscape because the GAMEPLAY mechanic only allows him to draw it out from DUP soldiers.

      Even though Neon and Video nature are still in debate, even if both of them are electric based it would still affect Cole, keep in mind that Kessler was affected by Cole's electric attack and vice versa.

      "Cole can manipulate gravity" Ummm..No? Did you see Cole walking on the sides of buildings and opening up black holes? "and slow down time." So can Delsin and Delsin can freely move about while Cole is fixed to one location and has severe tunnel vision. Oh you mean slow down the perspective of time rather than actual time itself, silly me.

      I still feel that the fight with Infamous 2 Cole can go either way, but we really don't know what Del is fully capable of just yet. SP said that they are watching the trophy data again for the next game.

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    • How is that trophy data looking by the way? I saw it in the beginning but not as much as time went on.

      EDIT: Found it. Looks like Good Karma is still winning out.

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    • Also remember that when Augustine knocked Delsin out with the daggers, he literally received his Smoke powers. He was still getting used to them. And remember that his Video power are based off of digitial constructs. Neon would also affect Cole because it's based off of light as well as plasma.

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    • What gives you the idea that Delsin is able to drain concrete from the ground? Has Delsin shown absorbing concrete from the ground in a cutscene? Not to my knowlege, no. Video would not hurt Cole is what I said, I don't know why I said that so I apologize. I never said Neon wouldn't hurt Cole I said it wouldn't do much to him seeing how stable his durability is. Same can go for Video. When Cole can take attacks from people like Kessler and the Beast, it makes it seem pretty unlikely Delsin of all people is going to hurt him. Oh please, Kessler hurting Cole with electricity was just for the sake of the boss battle, Cole can't be hurt by electricity with his own electricity. Dude taps into the mainfraim electricity source of citites and gets power from the enviroment for the love of god. I never said Cole could open up black holes now did I? Where did you get that idea? I said he can manipulate gravity, looks like somebody doesn't know much about Cole hmm? Not speaking of Evil Cole here because he would slaughter Delsin with no problem (I say that because the Beast could manipulate gravity therefore when Cole gets the powers he could too) but in some of Cole's electromagnetic shockwaves it leaves the opponent high in the air and slowly falling down, manipulating gravity. Seriously, look up the powers on this wiki it even says it. Cole's not fixed in one location during precision seriously have you played Cole's games? He can slow down time, not the 'perspective of time'. I'm not saying he can stop it completely, but he can slow it down. Don't go and wank Delsin by saying he can slow down time and Cole can't because it's either they both can or they both can't. It is they both can but you seem to have your head so far up your ass about Delsin you don't know what you're saying. It doesn't matter if he had just received his powers, if you have the Conduit gene you're already more than capable enough of having good durability even without your powers being unlocked. i.e Cole being hit by a truck before he even got his powers and recovering in just a few days. Not all Conduits have good durability, clearly shown through Delsin. All of Delsin's powers are capable of affecting Cole just none of them will do very much anyways as they are practically featless powers and Cole would make short work of Delsin. Seriously show me some feats that would put Delsin even close to on par with Cole before you say you think this is a close fight. Delsin doesn't have as many options as Cole does when it comes of dispatching the latter.

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    • You said Cole manipulate gravity, does Cole increase the gravity in the area to crush people? If you are refering to his ability to wrap people in a magnetic field to float them away, that is MAGNETISM not gravity. Electricity/Magnetism is not the same force as gravity. Besides, Delsin has a similar ability with his Neon grenade.

      It has been awhile since I played the games, but he only slows down time when in precision and the movement was so slow you might as well call it fixed.

      The fact that you said that Cole's Ionic Storm didn't damage Kuo/Nix as much was a gameplay mechanic but since Concrete is OP in Second Son that they had to make Delsin absorb it from DUP soldiers to stop players from selecting it over other powers. SP had to scale back the Neon powers in SS because they were extremely powerful, so they are giving those powers to Fetch, considering they had to balance out Neon with the other three powersets. So, here is the question for you, are we sticking to gameplay mechanics or not? You have been favoring following gameplay mechanics when it disfavors Delsin and only following them when they favor Cole.

      So far, I have been trying to play Devil's Advocate by saying the fight could go either way and I still stick by that. Of course people are going to say that Cole wins because they don't like change, they don't like Delsin because of reasons X, Y and Z. But that doesn't mean I favor one side over the other. What I am trying to do is to give people a perspective that they didn't see before and we have yet to see Delsin's next game to see where his powers take him. So, DBZCREEPY, you can stop with the name calling because if this is how you want to conduct yourself, fine I am done.

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    • Agreed. Not to mention large parts of your argument are based on information from the second game and Evil, which are explicitly excluded in the original topic above.

      Delsin is a Conduit, and should have about the same level of durability as Cole does, as Conduits have the same level of durability unless proven otherwise.

      Percision slows down Cole's movements as well, so it enhances his perception, which would cause time to appear to slow down. So the official statement are that neither can slow down time.

      You say that none of Delsin's powers will affect Cole with such certainty it's almost as if you've seen them battle before. We haven't seen Cole and Delsin faceoff before in-game, and therefire we cannot make any assumption on how one would affect the other.

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    • DBZCREEPY wrote:
      What gives you the idea that Delsin is able to drain concrete from the ground? Has Delsin shown absorbing concrete from the ground in a cutscene? Not to my knowlege, no. Video would not hurt Cole is what I said, I don't know why I said that so I apologize. I never said Neon wouldn't hurt Cole I said it wouldn't do much to him seeing how stable his durability is. Same can go for Video. When Cole can take attacks from people like Kessler and the Beast, it makes it seem pretty unlikely Delsin of all people is going to hurt him. Oh please, Kessler hurting Cole with electricity was just for the sake of the boss battle, Cole can't be hurt by electricity with his own electricity. Dude taps into the mainfraim electricity source of citites and gets power from the enviroment for the love of god. I never said Cole could open up black holes now did I? Where did you get that idea? I said he can manipulate gravity, looks like somebody doesn't know much about Cole hmm? Not speaking of Evil Cole here because he would slaughter Delsin with no problem (I say that because the Beast could manipulate gravity therefore when Cole gets the powers he could too) but in some of Cole's electromagnetic shockwaves it leaves the opponent high in the air and slowly falling down, manipulating gravity. Seriously, look up the powers on this wiki it even says it. Cole's not fixed in one location during precision seriously have you played Cole's games? He can slow down time, not the 'perspective of time'. I'm not saying he can stop it completely, but he can slow it down. Don't go and wank Delsin by saying he can slow down time and Cole can't because it's either they both can or they both can't. It is they both can but you seem to have your head so far up your ass about Delsin you don't know what you're saying. It doesn't matter if he had just received his powers, if you have the Conduit gene you're already more than capable enough of having good durability even without your powers being unlocked. i.e Cole being hit by a truck before he even got his powers and recovering in just a few days. Not all Conduits have good durability, clearly shown through Delsin. All of Delsin's powers are capable of affecting Cole just none of them will do very much anyways as they are practically featless powers and Cole would make short work of Delsin. Seriously show me some feats that would put Delsin even close to on par with Cole before you say you think this is a close fight. Delsin doesn't have as many options as Cole does when it comes of dispatching the latter.

      You don't need to insult people to make a point.

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    • Good Cole would destroy. The redirect rocket and shock grenade are both powerful enough to match Delsin's powers even without their extra abilities (reverse magnetism and automatically restraining an enemy). Eveyr time Cole lands a headshock he gains more energy and health, evenjust a normal lightning bolt can partially charge Cole so it's not even like he necessarily needpower sources they would just help. Lightning storm is strong but it wouldn't be enough to kill Delsin in one hit, it barley did any damage to Kessler during the final battle until the very end and that ws only after Kessler had been severely weakened. My final point, which is open to debate, is that Cole's polarity wall cold possibly protect Cole from a few of Delsin's powers and also provide Cole with energy so there's that to consider as well.

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    • My apologies, you are right about the magnetism part. Yes he slows down time in precision, but he isn't fixed in one place just because it's slower, hence the slow down time ability in the first place. It's different though, because Ionic Storm not killing Kuo or Nix IS a BLATANT gameplay mechanic and I don't see why you are even arguing on this part. It wouldn't be much of a boss battle if you could kill them in one shot/ take a huge percentage of their health out in one simply attack now would it? NO. Besides, Nix was killed by bodyslamming the Beast, proving her durability is weak. Ionic Storm is a huge lightning storm that's summoned from the enviroment, and locks onto the target. Electricity attacks the nervous system, and considering how weak Nix and Delsin's durability feats are it's safe to say it would kill them seeing as they both have nervous systems anyways lol. I'd say the concrete situation is more of a non-canon restriction than a game mechanic, it's similar to the Ionic abilities in the older ones, they put that Ionic Charge bs in there jus because it was OP. So, yeah I guess you're right. Regardless, his concrete won't do much considering Cole can just use his Ice Shield and absorb it all, powering him up even more. I'd say Polarity Wall but he lost that ability at the beginning of the second game. Also with Fetch, the reason Delsin's Neon wasn't powerful isn't a game mechanic or restriction, it's because he doesn't absorb all of the power right? Like his Neon is obviously weaker than Fetch's Neon, his Video's weaker than Eugene's Video ECT. He doesn't absorb 100% of each power, so it's obvious his Neon will suck compared to Fetch's in the DLC. I'm not saying Cole wins because I don't like Delsin *which by the way, I do like Delsin and I loved Second Son*, I'm saying it because I've proved why Cole would win and you have still yet to show anything Delsin could really do to Cole. Stop talking about Delsin's new game, we're debating what we have not what we're going to get. I never name called in the first place, I simply told you to get your head out of your ass about Delsin because you're just sitting here saying Delsin would win without any points besides trying to debunk my Ionic Storm point. Why does Cole win? Well let's see: He has better durability, more power behind his abilities, arguably just as versatile, quality > quantity, better melee weapon, combat experience, better h2h, experience with his powers overall, defense, and quite a number of ways of killing Delsin. It's even shown in game that Delsin gets hurt by electric fences, and Cole packs a lot more of a punch than an electric fence ever will. He literally can take down a helicopter with one electric blast, and in a small electric stream Cole stated it had 20,000 volts behind it. An Ionic Storm is one of Cole's most powerful attacks, so god knows how many volts are in it, but a regular lightning bolt can have up to one billion volts in it if memory serves, with an amperage of 30,000 which is MORE than enough to kill a human, not to mention the Ionic Storm has more than one lightning bolt, it's controlled by Cole and helped by the enviroment and it's unknown how much a conduit can withstand, but considering their healing factor isn't that great I'd imagine they'd be killed by that. Not to mention Delsin was knocked out by being stabbed in the leg with a rock, so even if he did survive an Ionic Storm he'd be K.O'd making the kill even easier for Cole. Conduits do have a nervous system after all. So, if you're not going to show points for Delsin please don't bother to reply, not trying to be rude but I came here to debate.

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    • Also, @Harbinger9878, I don't need to insult people to prove a point you're right, I've already proved my point even if I didn't use an 'insult'. c:

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    • DBZCREEPY wrote:
      My apologies, you are right about the magnetism part. Yes he slows down time in precision, but he isn't fixed in one place just because it's slower, hence the slow down time ability in the first place. It's different though, because Ionic Storm not killing Kuo or Nix IS a BLATANT gameplay mechanic and I don't see why you are even arguing on this part. It wouldn't be much of a boss battle if you could kill them in one shot/ take a huge percentage of their health out in one simply attack now would it? NO. Besides, Nix was killed by bodyslamming the Beast, proving her durability is weak. Ionic Storm is a huge lightning storm that's summoned from the enviroment, and locks onto the target. Electricity attacks the nervous system, and considering how weak Nix and Delsin's durability feats are it's safe to say it would kill them seeing as they both have nervous systems anyways lol. I'd say the concrete situation is more of a non-canon restriction than a game mechanic, it's similar to the Ionic abilities in the older ones, they put that Ionic Charge bs in there jus because it was OP. So, yeah I guess you're right. Regardless, his concrete won't do much considering Cole can just use his Ice Shield and absorb it all, powering him up even more. I'd say Polarity Wall but he lost that ability at the beginning of the second game. Also with Fetch, the reason Delsin's Neon wasn't powerful isn't a game mechanic or restriction, it's because he doesn't absorb all of the power right? Like his Neon is obviously weaker than Fetch's Neon, his Video's weaker than Eugene's Video ECT. He doesn't absorb 100% of each power, so it's obvious his Neon will suck compared to Fetch's in the DLC. I'm not saying Cole wins because I don't like Delsin *which by the way, I do like Delsin and I loved Second Son*, I'm saying it because I've proved why Cole would win and you have still yet to show anything Delsin could really do to Cole. Stop talking about Delsin's new game, we're debating what we have not what we're going to get. I never name called in the first place, I simply told you to get your head out of your ass about Delsin because you're just sitting here saying Delsin would win without any points besides trying to debunk my Ionic Storm point. Why does Cole win? Well let's see: He has better durability, more power behind his abilities, arguably just as versatile, quality > quantity, better melee weapon, combat experience, better h2h, experience with his powers overall, defense, and quite a number of ways of killing Delsin. It's even shown in game that Delsin gets hurt by electric fences, and Cole packs a lot more of a punch than an electric fence ever will. He literally can take down a helicopter with one electric blast, and in a small electric stream Cole stated it had 20,000 volts behind it. An Ionic Storm is one of Cole's most powerful attacks, so god knows how many volts are in it, but a regular lightning bolt can have up to one billion volts in it if memory serves, with an amperage of 30,000 which is MORE than enough to kill a human, not to mention the Ionic Storm has more than one lightning bolt, it's controlled by Cole and helped by the enviroment and it's unknown how much a conduit can withstand, but considering their healing factor isn't that great I'd imagine they'd be killed by that. Not to mention Delsin was knocked out by being stabbed in the leg with a rock, so even if he did survive an Ionic Storm he'd be K.O'd making the kill even easier for Cole. Conduits do have a nervous system after all. So, if you're not going to show points for Delsin please don't bother to reply, not trying to be rude but I came here to debate.

      You forgot one crucial thing: this is InFamous 1 Cole vs. Delsin, not InFamous 2.

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    • Thank you for saying that. His argument is a decent one if it were inFamous 2 Cole. We weren't arguing with you about how Ionic Storm being a game mechanic, we were saying that if that were true, Delsin should be able to absorb Concrete from the environment instead of the DUP Conduits.

      By saying that Kuo and Nix appear weaker than Cole, despite the fact that there is no solid evidence that Conduits have different levels of durability, undermines most of your argument. And by "bodyslamming the Beast", you mean sacrificing herself by putting the last bit of her powers into causing him significant damage and weakening to allow Cole's escape right?

      Also, some of your points are opinionated. You claim that he has the better melee weapon and the better hand to hand combat, without giving evidence to support it.

      And if he is arguably just as versatile, please argue why that is.

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    • Ah, my apologies. I was unaware of the conditions ^_^ I could still argue for Cole I1 considering he has some similar abilities (Rockets, Grenades, Polarity Wall, Lightning Storm, ect.) And the person I was talking to seemed to be dead set on Ionic Storm being a game play mechanic so yeah. Kuo and Nix are weaker than Cole, there's a reason Cole was the one who activated the RFI after all. No solid evidence? Well, again with Nix dying fairly easily, and Delsin being K.O'd by a stone being stabbed into his leg, when you have Cole being hit by a truck before he has his dormant powers unlocked and recovering in days, a helicopter smashing into the side of his head while he's on a speeding car, and being squeezed by the Beast, then you have the Beast who survived a nuke, it's pretty blatant not all conduits have the same durability. What's this about last bit of powers? She got angry and used a firebird strike, that's all there was to it. Opinionated because I didn't explain two things? No. Not really. He has a better melee weapon in terms of power output and destruction, while Delsin does have range. I'm talking about the Gigawatt Blades by the way, not the Amp. Gigawatt Blades are electricity so concetrated that they're visible, and they have enough output to destroy cars and conduits in just one strike. I say better hand to hand due to Delsin never really showing any hand to hand. Fully upgraded I1 Cole was able to put down  power soaking enemies like Reapers in just a few blows. Also, he was in Street Fighter x Tekken and he shows the ability to fight in that game as well. Well, look at his vast power set, he manipulates electricity in many different ways. He can shoot regular lightning bolts, concetrate electricity into bombs that set off in different ways, redirect electricity rockets, shoot off streams of electricity, make electricity into large waves that can stun and use magnetism to send enemies up into the air and slowly float back down, he can slow down time, read memories off of recently dead people, see the plague and conduit gene in people, sense the electricity through people, create restraints that stick people to the ground, create tornados, use the enviroment to create lightning storms, not to mention he can do quite a few of the same things with ice (make large pieces of ice that covers streets, ice grenades, ice rockets, ect.) Now sure Delsin is more versatile than Cole, but Cole really isn't that far behind. Not to mention, he can swap between Ice and Electricity with almost no effort where Delsin's power swap is drastic.

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    • Yeah, that sounds about right. I wouldn't keep Cole in Tekken as canon though, but you're about where we decided a bit further up, albeit leaning to one side over the other. 

      It's kind of that quality vs. quantity argument you gave earlier, with Cole's attacks having more on them but Delsin's, under most circumstances, landing more hits. And surely Cole wouldn't drain all his power on one Lightning Storm right away, he might not use it at all unless he has to. They're both limited to the amount of energy they have, and if you scroll all the way up, I believe it says Delsin has three Karmic Bombs and they both start with full energy, as well as cole getting three Karmic Overloads.

      To us, it's still anyone's game, but I can see where you're coming from with Cole beating Delsin.

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    • I don't think Cole in Street Figher x Tekken is canon either, but it's really the only good source we have at this point so we may as well put it under consideration. Yes, Delsin would get the most hits but I say since Delsin doesn't have a very good durability and Cole does, that the latter would come victorious in the end. I understand this is I1 Cole which would make it more fair in comparison, but even then like I said he has similar aspects to himself in the second game. Cole getting the three Karmic Overloads would seal the deal for him for sure, that gives him UNLIMITED electricity which would really be the only drawback he has in a fight against Delsin. He very well could summon a Lightning Storm through a Karmic Overload so he wouldn't waste any power, but I mean when that thing comes down Delsin is not getting back up.


      I'm glad you understand my stand on this fight, and I understand yours as well. Delsin does have some good points but I just don't see them comparing to Cole much, however he does have the speed over Cole which could be troublesome to Cole, but not too much trouble. Especially since those Karmic Overloads could come into play.

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    • And as I said before, if Delsin gets hit by Cole's Shock Grenade, he'll get Arc Restrained, since Cole is at "True" Hero.

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    • Very true, I just wonder how often he'll get the chance to hit him with a grenade.

      And about Tekken, I don't think that it would even come close to hand to hand/melee with these two, maybe Cole uses Gigawatt Blades once or Delsin whacks him with his chain, but they seem to be more proficient at shooting each other from mid or long distance.

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    • No of course it wouldn't, I was just saying if it ever did come up close then of course Cole would win in a fist fight. He is stronger if I remember. Also older if that means anything lmao.

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    • D'ya thing Gigawatt Blades could cut through Delsin's chain?

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    • Quite easily yes. Gigawatt Blades are concetrated electricity, Delsin's chain is just a piece of metal he found laying around.

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    • It seems to me that since the RFI went off, Conduits became significantly less powerful. They went from having all sorts of powers - Sasha's teleporation, telepathy, mind control, tar laser things, Bertrand's...uh...giant space flea thing... whatever the heck the Beast could do (Magma, gravity, energy blasts, the thing where everything turned gray and floated, controlling powers, regeneration from a single atom), Alden's stupidly powerful telekinesis (or magnetism/metal powers) - to every single one of them being limited to an individual element. Look at Augustine, who is supposedly one of the most powerful conduits, and then look at Alden. Look at how big Alden's golem was, and then look at how big Augustine's was. Alden didn't even qualify for a final boss, and to be quite honest, he was a lot more impressive then Augustine. 

      I guess what I'm saying is that things scaled down quite significantly from the first two games. That being said... Cole seems a lot more durable. He can punch a train, and he'll get back up afterwards. Delsin's best durability feat is...?

      Either way, Cole is really good with electricity, while Delsin is a jack-of-all-trades. He isn't nearly as good with any conduit at their own element, but he's versatile. The problem is, versatility won't really do him much good, because Cole simply has more fire power then any of the powers he does have. Draining Blast shards is enough to give Delsin very noticeable increases in variety and complexity to his powers, but all they really do for Cole is give him more ammunition; Cole's powers are simply more advanced then Delsin's.

      I don't see Delsin winning in a long ranged battle - Cole can use the Polarity Wall, he can Blast away the heavy hits, he can constantly recharge and regenerate while firing back through a combination of induction grind and Precision - and in a short ranged Battle, I'm inclined to think that the versatility of Cole's powers would give him an edge, Delsin has roughly four attacks available to him at any given time - the normal shot, the heavy artillery, the grenades/invisibility, and the Karma bomb. Cole has the normal shot, grenades, rockets, the equivalent of a Sniper Rifle in Precision, the Blast - which is a huge tactical advantage; the range that it covers and it's stunning/defensive capabilties are huge - the Lightning Storm (Combined with the stunning capabilties of the Blast, it becomes a much larger threat), the gigawatt blades, and so on. His rockets home in, his grenades bind you when you get hit, and he even recovers energy while attacking. He only has one power set, but that power set is much more versatile and complete then any of Delsin's.

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    • Plus, Delsin is unable to fire continuously if he runs out of juice. Cole can keep firing his lightning bolts - and recharge while doing so.

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    • That's a good point. I had almost completely forgotten that inFamous 1 Cole didn't have the restiction on his bolts.

      I would say that we don't necessarily have the evidence to prove that conduits are weaker now than before the RFI went off, and I think that they're more on par with Kuo or Nix in terms of durability.

      I think Delsin is an exception however, and the enemies he faces seem to deal more damage than any other group seen as of yet.

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    • Now here's the million dollar question: how would it play out if they were at full Evil karma?

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    • Electric Tuna wrote:
      108.251.90.168 wrote:

      DBZCREEPY wrote: Cole easily. Well Delsin would touch Cole and then pass out. When he wakes up he'd have no power because he needs core relays. So Cole would just kill him. Cole takes this. For the reasons above, Delsin can't drain Cole for this fight. Cole has greater variety to the way he uses his powers, greater experience with using them, and just greater resolve in general. He was put through hell to be the one Conduit that could stop the Beast, and that's what he did.

      Not to mention that Cole can cut off at least two of Delsin's four power sources by draining their electricity: Video, Neon too. No DUP soldiers involved means no Concrete, leaving Delsin just with Smoke, giving Cole the advantage of range. Cole also has the advantage of his power source being a LOT more common than any of Delsin's, so while Delsin is scrambling for juice, Cole's just going to stretch out a hand and grab everything nearby.

      Take into account that Cole can fire more missiles than Delsin's max, can slow down time to easily hit him (Precision), can block or even reflect some of Delsin's attacks with his Polarity Wall, and if Delsin came in to attack with his chain, Cole has him beat there as well with his juiced up amp, not to mention the ionic abilities, and ice/napalm powers, and so much more?

      Delsin's got a few things going for him: He can turn intangible or invisible. He has the movement speed and maneuverability advantage. But Cole has the experience, the skills, the combat speed advantage with Precision, and a power source that is vastly more numerous. Not to mention if it's Evil Cole, he obliterates Delsin off the face of the planet with ease. He is much more destructive than the latter, he absorbed the powers from the Beast, making him even more destructive, and he can not die without the use of a RFI. Evil Cole just giga drains the city that Delsin is in and ends the fight there. Good Cole throws an ionic vortex and rips Delsin to shreds.

      Delsin can run. Delsin can hide. But Delsin can NOT win this fight.

      Neither of them...could easily beat the other. Evil Cole isn't even Canon so using him as a reference is incredibly redundant. Pretty sure Cole can only absorb PURE electricity. Neon is a God Damn GAS! A colorless gas at that. It's in the Periodic Table! The only reason you can see it is because it's used in some sort of electric/voltage tube but that doesn't make it electricity. Video...don't even get me started on that.

      Matter of fact I'm sure that Delsin is just as much or a match for Cole. I mean you didn't even really give the guy a chance except for two positive aspects. This is a biased opinion from Delsin's point of view.

      Delsin knows what happens when he absorbs a Conduit's power so why the hell would he even think about trying to take Cole's power? Especially in the middle of a fight? Since Delsin has four different powers instead of just one 'scrambling for juice' isn't the phrase that I would use. He has just as many resources as Cole. Both on the ground and on top of buildings no matter where he is. Plus thanks to Delsin's "Quick Drain" he can absorb power just as fast, maybe even faster than Cole's "Gigawatt Drain."

      Cole can only fire more Rocket's because his affects his main energy source, which is a lot. Because of that he can run out of energy quicker unlike Delsin who has 'Heavy Ammo' Plus a lot of energy that doesn't un out quick. Delsin only has a set max of missiles for the current power that he's using at the moment. Delsin can also slow down time with his 'Laser Focus' using his Neon, which there is an ample amount of. Cole in Infamous 1 has the Polarity Wall which he doesn't have in Infamous 2. There has the Ice Shield, which isn't god against heavy fire. Plus Delsin's melee switches on what power he's using two while Cole's stays the same. Canon Cole has Ice...not Napalm. Again...redundant.

      Everybody keeps saying that Cole has the experience which literally does not mean shit. He beat people that were more experienced than him. Delsin did the same thing. Everything you said after that Delsin has as well. 'Skills, combat speed, his own 'Precision' and an ample amount of power sources.' Since you want to keep throwing Evil Cole's abilities in the mix than what about Evil Delsin who absorbed the power of HUNDREDS of different Conduit's in Curdan Cay which could literally be varied into anything. Even something that could kill The Beast or make himself indestructible. Instant Regeneration? Molecule/Atom Control? Cell Manipulation? Gravity? ELECTROKINESIS?

      Good Delsin will then incase Cole in Concrete stopping him from using any of his powers while he Orbital Drops him to absolute dust.

      This is why you don't give complete biased statements. I mean really I say again you didn't even give Delsin a chance.


      Thank you for finally giving a (albiet a bit rude) explanation on Delsin's equalness to Cole.  Many of you people are giving Cole a better chance because he's more popular and more widely known.  Fact is, Delsin is just as experienced as Cole and he can teleport (something that even Cole couldn't do).

      When did he teleport?

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    • If Cole and Delsin were at full Evil Karma then Cole would destroy Delsin no sweat. At least with these fight rules Delsin stands even a slight chance. If this were either Karma Cole from inFAMOUS 2 then he would decimate Delsin 10/10 times. Actually no, Evil Cole would decimate Delsin 11/10 times. Good Cole is way too powerful for Delsin, let alone Beast Cole. Yeah, the guy who can level cities, summon black-hole like vacuums, manipulate the gravity, slow down time, teleport, fly and who has nuke level regeneration. So to answer your question Cole would win quite easily if they were both Evil Karma, I think it's better that we use inFAMOUS 1 Cole. If you were asking full Evil Karma inFAMOUS 1 Cole then I'd still wager he'd win, but just at the same extent as his I1 Good counterpart. Only difference his powers are more powerful and he's more wreckless and brutal.

      Also to the person above me, Evil Cole can teleport once he recieves the powers of the Beast, Good Cole has never shown the ability to teleport. If I remember correctly when Nix teleports in the second game, Cole will spur out "Now that I can't do..." or something of the same effect. As far as I know, Delsin can not teleport period.

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    • Wrong person. It's Kuo, actually. When he's helping her with her powers in the graveyard, she teleports. Once Cole catches up, he says, "ok, if you were trying to make me jealous, it worked."

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    • That's not what I'm talking about, I'm well aware that happens. I've beaten inFAMOUS 2 5 times and I've platinumed the game lmao. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqtIi5bVAIo around the 1:30 mark Nix teleports away and Cole mutters to himself "Now that I can't do."

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    • DBZCREEPY wrote:
      If Cole and Delsin were at full Evil Karma then Cole would destroy Delsin no sweat. At least with these fight rules Delsin stands even a slight chance. If this were either Karma Cole from inFAMOUS 2 then he would decimate Delsin 10/10 times. Actually no, Evil Cole would decimate Delsin 11/10 times. Good Cole is way too powerful for Delsin, let alone Beast Cole. Yeah, the guy who can level cities, summon black-hole like vacuums, manipulate the gravity, slow down time, teleport, fly and who has nuke level regeneration. So to answer your question Cole would win quite easily if they were both Evil Karma, I think it's better that we use inFAMOUS 1 Cole. If you were asking full Evil Karma inFAMOUS 1 Cole then I'd still wager he'd win, but just at the same extent as his I1 Good counterpart. Only difference his powers are more powerful and he's more wreckless and brutal.

      Also to the person above me, Evil Cole can teleport once he recieves the powers of the Beast, Good Cole has never shown the ability to teleport. If I remember correctly when Nix teleports in the second game, Cole will spur out "Now that I can't do..." or something of the same effect. As far as I know, Delsin can not teleport period.

      No electrictuna said that Desin could teleport and cole couldn't i was asking electrictuna

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    • Delsin... But, to be honest I think the people of "Death Battle" should be the ones to decide it. Their really good on making decision that involve powerful characters. Just look at "Superman VS Goku".

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    • Now I do agree Death Battle should do this fight. Death Battle in my opinion is usually always correct, but funny enough the one fight you cite is the one they did the worst. Superman vs Goku was the worst Death Battle ever created, they had just about everything wrong. I could understand if maybe Pre-Crisis Superman was the one to beat Goku, and yes for sure Superman Prime, but no, they used Post-Crisis Superman vs GT Goku, which is a ridiculously onesided fight in favor of Goku. Post-Crisis Supes's biggest durability feat is a planet explosion if memory serves, whereas GT Goku in base form destroyed a dimension. Also if Death Battle did this fight I'm almost certain they would make Cole win, they do get it right most of the time and if they made Delsin win they'd be wrong.

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    • delson can only teleport about ten feet away, not that big of a deal.

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    • Benstar279 wrote:
      I think Delsin because of his ability to switch powers and i know he needs a power source to switch but if he gets video he can go invisible. and with neon run very fast do mobility

      But cole can detect when people are near him because of his static ping.

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    • Cole is my vote due to that, Delsin can only learn new abilities by absorbing relay cores. And Cole learns new Moves own, without need for relay cores.

      Cole for the win

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    • Cole would win. Yet, although Delsin is more 'inexperienced', having had powers for less than a month, I do think that with time he could become incredibly, ridiculously powerful. Like, maybe even more powerful than Cole.

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    • I vote that it would be a tie, considering the conditions of this battle idea.......

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    • 70.169.90.254 wrote:
      Cole is my vote due to that, Delsin can only learn new abilities by absorbing relay cores. And Cole learns new Moves own, without need for relay cores.

      Cole for the win

      You obviously haven't played InFamous in a while, or at all. He doesn't learn moves on his own. He gains new powers by activating substations.

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    • I vote Delsin! The only thing that everyone has against Delsin is experience... Yet he beat Augustine with rock power even though she had 7 years practice and both people are stunned after he takes powers.

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    • Delsin has the advantage of power copying via touch. He also has telepathic perception as a byproduct of power absorbtion.

      Infamous 1 Cole has the advantage of hand-to-hand combat, and can use his electric powers in a variety of ways, even making limited constructs out of electricity.

      Both are dead even on parkour.

      Both have enhanced strength, durability and a healing factor.

      Infamous 1 Cole fought a wide variety of powerful "lesser" Conduit that have different powers. (Reaper Conduits, Cloaking Conduits, Aura Conduits, Armored Conduits, Golem Conduits, and military-made Conduits in the comics)

      The "lesser" Delsin mostly fought were Concrete-based Conduits.

      Delsin fought a professional  and obviously military/paramilitary group that uses Concrete powered Conduits as thier supersoldiers (The DUP- You know, since the DUP are all about symbolizing strength, I wonder why they didn't consider adding soldiers with different power types that could also represent strength, like Masonry, or Gravity, or even Video.)

      Infamous 1 Cole fought a technologically advanced secret society and their leader is from the future. (The First Sons.)

      IF1 Cole also fought powerful major Conduits with a variety of powers (Alden Tate, Sasha, Kessler, and David Warner in the comics.)

      Delsin also fought some mighty major Conduits with a variety of powers (Hank Daughtry, Abigail "Fetch" Walker, Eugene "He Who Dwells" Sims, and Brooke Augustine.)

      Both need to absorb Ray Field energy to gain power upgrades.

      I'll give Cole a slight edge due to more experience (He even dealt with enemies that had powers other than matter, like shapeshifting enemies, invisible enemies, enemies that can cover themselves in energy armor a'la Armor from X-men, and even comic-exclusive enemies like David Warner and the military-made Conduits that have straight-up superstrength.)

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    • 24.244.32.48 wrote:
      Delsin has the advantage of power copying via touch. He also has telepathic perception as a byproduct of power absorbtion.

      Infamous 1 Cole has the advantage of hand-to-hand combat, and can use his electric powers in a variety of ways, even making limited constructs out of electricity.

      Both are dead even on parkour.

      Both have enhanced strength, durability and a healing factor.

      Infamous 1 Cole fought a wide variety of powerful "lesser" Conduit that have different powers. (Reaper Conduits, Cloaking Conduits, Aura Conduits, Armored Conduits, Golem Conduits, and military-made Conduits in the comics)

      The "lesser" Delsin mostly fought were Concrete-based Conduits.

      Delsin fought a professional  and obviously military/paramilitary group that uses Concrete powered Conduits as thier supersoldiers (The DUP- You know, since the DUP are all about symbolizing strength, I wonder why they didn't consider adding soldiers with different power types that could also represent strength, like Masonry, or Gravity, or even Video.)

      Infamous 1 Cole fought a technologically advanced secret society and their leader is from the future. (The First Sons.)

      IF1 Cole also fought powerful major Conduits with a variety of powers (Alden Tate, Sasha, Kessler, and David Warner in the comics.)

      Delsin also fought some mighty major Conduits with a variety of powers (Hank Daughtry, Abigail "Fetch" Walker, Eugene "He Who Dwells" Sims, and Brooke Augustine.)

      Both need to absorb Ray Field energy to gain power upgrades.

      I'll give Cole a slight edge due to more experience (He even dealt with enemies that had powers other than matter, like shapeshifting enemies, invisible enemies, enemies that can cover themselves in energy armor a'la Armor from X-men, and even comic-exclusive enemies like David Warner and the military-made Conduits that have straight-up superstrength.)

      Not to mention, Cole even dealt with enemies that have frigging psychic powers like telepathic communication (Sasha), and telekinesis (Alden and some of the other Dustmen.)

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    • 24.244.32.48 wrote:
      24.244.32.48 wrote:
      Delsin has the advantage of power copying via touch. He also has telepathic perception as a byproduct of power absorbtion.

      Infamous 1 Cole has the advantage of hand-to-hand combat, and can use his electric powers in a variety of ways, even making limited constructs out of electricity.

      Both are dead even on parkour.

      Both have enhanced strength, durability and a healing factor.

      Infamous 1 Cole fought a wide variety of powerful "lesser" Conduit that have different powers. (Reaper Conduits, Cloaking Conduits, Aura Conduits, Armored Conduits, Golem Conduits, and military-made Conduits in the comics)

      The "lesser" Conduits Delsin mostly fought were Concrete-based Conduits.

      Delsin fought a professional  and obviously military/paramilitary group that uses Concrete powered Conduits as thier supersoldiers (The DUP- You know, since the DUP are all about symbolizing strength, I wonder why they didn't consider adding soldiers with different power types that could also represent strength, like Masonry, or Gravity, or even Video.)

      Infamous 1 Cole fought a technologically advanced secret society and their leader is from the future. (The First Sons.)

      IF1 Cole also fought powerful major Conduits with a variety of powers (Alden Tate, Sasha, Kessler, and David Warner in the comics.)

      Delsin also fought some mighty major Conduits with a variety of powers (Hank Daughtry, Abigail "Fetch" Walker, Eugene "He Who Dwells" Sims, and Brooke Augustine.)

      Both need to absorb Ray Field energy to gain power upgrades.

      I'll give Cole a slight edge due to more experience (He even dealt with enemies that had powers other than matter, like shapeshifting enemies, invisible enemies, enemies that can cover themselves in energy armor a'la Armor from X-men, and even comic-exclusive enemies like David Warner and the military-made Conduits that have straight-up superstrength.)

      Not to mention, Cole even dealt with enemies that have frigging psychic powers like telepathic communication (Sasha), and telekinesis (Alden and some of the other Dustmen.)


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    • @Wikia Contributer 24.244.32.48 24.244.32.48

      In Infamous 1 Cole was up against the Dust Men's Armored Buses which if you throw grenades at it Cole will say that the armor is too thick. Let's keep in mind that the Dust Men are a band of homeless people. The most destitute citizens of Empire City found enough junk to shield themselves from Cole MacGrath's attacks by making makeshift armored buses.

      Delsin's faces off against Military APC's and Heavy Attack Helicopters, vehicles made to make sure their occupants survive combat situations and Delsin destroy them with very little effort. Delsin also manages to obliterate a full grown male Conduit wearing combat armor into dust, light or pixels, whatever Video does to obliterate. Plus, like you stated, the DUP are a military trained organization and Delsin manages to kill/subdue several of them and Delsin only had his powers for less than a week.

      Not to say Cole never fought anybody with military experience but the Ice Gang had their minds degrading which makes their tactical skills questionable. True he did fight more lesser Conduits with different abilities but those lesser Conduits had a very limited powerset. Besides, even though he fought other Conduits it's not like he fought them any differently, at least that's how it's represented in gameplay.

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    • When does Delsin destroy Military APC's or Heavy Attack Helicopters in cutscenes? Also Cole wasn't fully powered up when that took place, not to mention I think it was more for gameplay purposes, because destroying the bus would cancel out the whole point of that mission. I mean that the mission was so you could get ontop of the buses and suck the energy out of them, that was the point. Also he gets more powerful throughout the game, he could easily wipe out one of those buses with his Lighting Storm. I really want to bring up that feat where Cole destroyed the chopper with one lightning blast but that was in inFAMOUS 2, I keep forgetting this is inFAMOUS 1 Cole.

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    • Since the DUP has government funding and military equipment, the DUP APC and helicopters are military grade. Cole didn't destroyed the helicopter, he only destroyed the rotor. If he did destroyed the helicopter then Bertand would have been killed. Which would be a pretty cool gameplay mechanic: targeting weaker parts of a machine to be able to weaken it like the Front Mission series.

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    • PariahParadox wrote:
      @Wikia Contributer 24.244.32.48 24.244.32.48

      In Infamous 1 Cole was up against the Dust Men's Armored Buses which if you throw grenades at it Cole will say that the armor is too thick. Let's keep in mind that the Dust Men are a band of homeless people. The most destitute citizens of Empire City found enough junk to shield themselves from Cole MacGrath's attacks by making makeshift armored buses.

      Delsin's faces off against Military APC's and Heavy Attack Helicopters, vehicles made to make sure their occupants survive combat situations and Delsin destroy them with very little effort. Delsin also manages to obliterate a full grown male Conduit wearing combat armor into dust, light or pixels, whatever Video does to obliterate. Plus, like you stated, the DUP are a military trained organization and Delsin manages to kill/subdue several of them and Delsin only had his powers for less than a week.

      Not to say Cole never fought anybody with military experience but the Ice Gang had their minds degrading which makes their tactical skills questionable. True he did fight more lesser Conduits with different abilities but those lesser Conduits had a very limited powerset. Besides, even though he fought other Conduits it's not like he fought them any differently, at least that's how it's represented in gameplay.

      To be fair, both IF1 Cole and Delsin have fought equally different Major Conduits with a wide variety of powers. (IF1 Cole fought Alden -who had telekinesis, decent enhanced durability, was a natural leader and had a lot of intelligence despite his insanity-, Sasha -who had black tar manipulation and production, mind control, telepathic communication, can project energy pulse bursts, and can cause hallucinations, researched mind control techniques, but unfortuantly she also had an obsessive love for Cole, severe dissociation, and was likely deranged-, Kessler -who had electrokenises like Cole, and also had one-way time travel, teleportation, improved physical resistance compared to Cole, can create energy duplicates of himself, can preform the Psychic Vision, was very smart and can summon 3 Drones.............somehow-, and David Warner, an enemy exclusive to the Infamous  -who had neuro-electricity absorption, super human strength, has four arms,  several tentacles, great superhuman durability, can smell on a genetic level, and had a form of electrokinesis that was red. Delsin fought Hank -who had smoke manipulation, had a degree of control over fire and embers as a byproduct, can turn into smoke for small dashes with more distance than Delsin, and was an expert of escape and a very smart opportunist-, Fetch -who had increased durability, neon manipulation, and could turn into neon to run at superspeed, jump tall distances with neon, run up vertical surfaces with neon, and was "trained" by her DUP captors on how to use her powers-, Eugene -who had the ability to summon virtual things into reality, could into his "He Who Dwells" character, bring other beings into his virtual reality, and uses his video game alter-ego to scare enemies, and Augustine -who had enhanced durability, concrete manipulation, and had military training and alot of charisma to manipulate the media.)

      Now it's really hard to say...........

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    • 174.3.181.87 wrote:
      PariahParadox wrote:
      @Wikia Contributer 24.244.32.48 24.244.32.48

      In Infamous 1 Cole was up against the Dust Men's Armored Buses which if you throw grenades at it Cole will say that the armor is too thick. Let's keep in mind that the Dust Men are a band of homeless people. The most destitute citizens of Empire City found enough junk to shield themselves from Cole MacGrath's attacks by making makeshift armored buses.

      Delsin's faces off against Military APC's and Heavy Attack Helicopters, vehicles made to make sure their occupants survive combat situations and Delsin destroy them with very little effort. Delsin also manages to obliterate a full grown male Conduit wearing combat armor into dust, light or pixels, whatever Video does to obliterate. Plus, like you stated, the DUP are a military trained organization and Delsin manages to kill/subdue several of them and Delsin only had his powers for less than a week.

      Not to say Cole never fought anybody with military experience but the Ice Gang had their minds degrading which makes their tactical skills questionable. True he did fight more lesser Conduits with different abilities but those lesser Conduits had a very limited powerset. Besides, even though he fought other Conduits it's not like he fought them any differently, at least that's how it's represented in gameplay.

      To be fair, both IF1 Cole and Delsin have fought equally different Major Conduits with a wide variety of powers. (IF1 Cole fought Alden -who had telekinesis, decent enhanced durability, was a natural leader and had a lot of intelligence despite his insanity-, Sasha -who had black tar manipulation and production, mind control, telepathic communication, can project energy pulse bursts, and can cause hallucinations, researched mind control techniques, but unfortuantly she also had an obsessive love for Cole, severe dissociation, and was likely deranged-, Kessler -who had electrokenises like Cole, and also had one-way time travel, teleportation, improved physical resistance compared to Cole, can create energy duplicates of himself, can preform the Psychic Vision, was very smart and can summon 3 Drones.............somehow-, and David Warner, an enemy exclusive to the Infamous  -who had neuro-electricity absorption, super human strength, has four arms,  several tentacles, great superhuman durability, can smell on a genetic level, and had a form of electrokinesis that was red. Delsin fought Hank -who had smoke manipulation, had a degree of control over fire and embers as a byproduct, can turn into smoke for small dashes with more distance than Delsin, and was an expert of escape and a very smart opportunist-, Fetch -who had increased durability, neon manipulation, and could turn into neon to run at superspeed, jump tall distances with neon, run up vertical surfaces with neon, and was "trained" by her DUP captors on how to use her powers-, Eugene -who had the ability to summon virtual things into reality, could into his "He Who Dwells" character, bring other beings into his virtual reality, and uses his video game alter-ego to scare enemies, and Augustine -who had enhanced durability, concrete manipulation, and had military training and alot of charisma to manipulate the media.)

      Now it's really hard to say...........

      I seriously think you should quit using Kessler as a point of reference. Kessler was obviously holding back and/or weakened by age. His whole point in time travelling was to shape Cole into a savior who could bring down the Beast where Kessler failed. If he had killed Cole, that would have been all for nothing. Plus, the only electrokinetic abilities he displayed were his lightning bolts. He had to have had Cole's other abilities, which would have been strengthened with practice. Just look at InFamous 2 Cole at the beginning before the Beast drained him: his lightning bolts had basically turned into rockets, his static thrusters were noticeably more powerful, and his other abilities he didn't show most likely improved as well. He had a few weeks before Kuo showed up for this to happen: Kessler had decades. His abilities were almost certainly superior to Cole's own. He was most likely holding back, or SP purposely made him not use them to avoid from dominating Cole, or they just left it out because. Aside from that, the abilities he did show made Cole's powers look shameful: summoning "clones", his lightning blots were stronger than Cole's, his phsycic vision could be used in reverse, his own strength was stronger than Cole's, his grenades were basically homing mines, his Thunder Drop was more powerful,  and it seems that he could control the strength of his shockwaves. It could properly be assumed that he had lightning storm, megawatt hammers, and maybe even some of Cole's abilities from Infamous 2. If he had wanted too, he almost certainly could have stomped Cole. Seriously, leave Kessler out of this.

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    • Harbinger9878 wrote:
      174.3.181.87 wrote:
      PariahParadox wrote:
      @Wikia Contributer 24.244.32.48 24.244.32.48

      In Infamous 1 Cole was up against the Dust Men's Armored Buses which if you throw grenades at it Cole will say that the armor is too thick. Let's keep in mind that the Dust Men are a band of homeless people. The most destitute citizens of Empire City found enough junk to shield themselves from Cole MacGrath's attacks by making makeshift armored buses.

      Delsin's faces off against Military APC's and Heavy Attack Helicopters, vehicles made to make sure their occupants survive combat situations and Delsin destroy them with very little effort. Delsin also manages to obliterate a full grown male Conduit wearing combat armor into dust, light or pixels, whatever Video does to obliterate. Plus, like you stated, the DUP are a military trained organization and Delsin manages to kill/subdue several of them and Delsin only had his powers for less than a week.

      Not to say Cole never fought anybody with military experience but the Ice Gang had their minds degrading which makes their tactical skills questionable. True he did fight more lesser Conduits with different abilities but those lesser Conduits had a very limited powerset. Besides, even though he fought other Conduits it's not like he fought them any differently, at least that's how it's represented in gameplay.

      To be fair, both IF1 Cole and Delsin have fought equally different Major Conduits with a wide variety of powers. (IF1 Cole fought Alden -who had telekinesis, decent enhanced durability, was a natural leader and had a lot of intelligence despite his insanity-, Sasha -who had black tar manipulation and production, mind control, telepathic communication, can project energy pulse bursts, and can cause hallucinations, researched mind control techniques, but unfortuantly she also had an obsessive love for Cole, severe dissociation, and was likely deranged-, Kessler -who had electrokenises like Cole, and also had one-way time travel, teleportation, improved physical resistance compared to Cole, can create energy duplicates of himself, can preform the Psychic Vision, was very smart and can summon 3 Drones.............somehow-, and David Warner, an enemy exclusive to the Infamous  -who had neuro-electricity absorption, super human strength, has four arms,  several tentacles, great superhuman durability, can smell on a genetic level, and had a form of electrokinesis that was red. Delsin fought Hank -who had smoke manipulation, had a degree of control over fire and embers as a byproduct, can turn into smoke for small dashes with more distance than Delsin, and was an expert of escape and a very smart opportunist-, Fetch -who had increased durability, neon manipulation, and could turn into neon to run at superspeed, jump tall distances with neon, run up vertical surfaces with neon, and was "trained" by her DUP captors on how to use her powers-, Eugene -who had the ability to summon virtual things into reality, could into his "He Who Dwells" character, bring other beings into his virtual reality, and uses his video game alter-ego to scare enemies, and Augustine -who had enhanced durability, concrete manipulation, and had military training and alot of charisma to manipulate the media.)

      Now it's really hard to say...........

      I seriously think you should quit using Kessler as a point of reference. Kessler was obviously holding back and/or weakened by age. His whole point in time travelling was to shape Cole into a savior who could bring down the Beast where Kessler failed. If he had killed Cole, that would have been all for nothing. Plus, the only electrokinetic abilities he displayed were his lightning bolts. He had to have had Cole's other abilities, which would have been strengthened with practice. Just look at InFamous 2 Cole at the beginning before the Beast drained him: his lightning bolts had basically turned into rockets, his static thrusters were noticeably more powerful, and his other abilities he didn't show most likely improved as well. He had a few weeks before Kuo showed up for this to happen: Kessler had decades. His abilities were almost certainly superior to Cole's own. He was most likely holding back, or SP purposely made him not use them to avoid from dominating Cole, or they just left it out because. Aside from that, the abilities he did show made Cole's powers look shameful: summoning "clones", his lightning blots were stronger than Cole's, his phsycic vision could be used in reverse, his own strength was stronger than Cole's, his grenades were basically homing mines, his Thunder Drop was more powerful,  and it seems that he could control the strength of his shockwaves. It could properly be assumed that he had lightning storm, megawatt hammers, and maybe even some of Cole's abilities from Infamous 2. If he had wanted too, he almost certainly could have stomped Cole. Seriously, leave Kessler out of this.


      Valid and respectable points, Harbinger. We'll leave Kessler out of IF1 Cole's battle experience.

      But we can take all of IF1 Cole's other defeated opponents into account, right?

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    • Oh yes. I very much doubt Alden and Sasha were holding back; Cole just overpowered them.

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    • Harbinger9878 wrote:
      Oh yes. I very much doubt Alden and Sasha were holding back; Cole just overpowered them.

      But shouldn't we still take the lesser conduits IF1 Cole dealt with like the First Son's Aura Conduits and Cloaking Conduits the Reaper's lesser Conduits, and Dust Men's Golem Conduits and Armored Conduits, too?

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    • I love Cole

      but also like delsin's funny personality cc

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    • Doesn't matter, Cole still managed to aim for the rotor and sent the chopper to the ground, even when he was going to take a nap just seconds after that. Well we don't know if he would've died or not, he is a Conduit. Also you still haven't answered my question, has Delsin destroyed any APCs or choppers in cutscenes or is that something you do in gameplay only? If the latter option, it doesn't count.

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    • Also why can't we use Kessler? Because he's more impressive than anything Delsin has fought? That seems unfair. Kessler wasn't holding back, and why would you blame his age for anything? He still had a lot more power than anything Delsin faced even with his age. Now I understand why people think Kessler could've been holding back, "well what if he killed Cole? Wouldn't that ruin the purpose of him traveling back in time?" Yes it would, however he knew Cole was powerful enough to take him down. Kessler hit him with everything he had to make sure Cole was ready, why would he give him a pity win when he wanted him to go out and save humanity? Seems a little stupid, and Kessler is quite intelligent of a man. Also let's not forget, that Kessler could've had the option of going back in time again if he did kill Cole, so he had a precaution. No doubt in my mind he was going all out on Cole. Also if you noticed he barely used electricity as his power output, whereas that's the only thing Cole used. That's another reason why Cole won, he had a better manipulation of the power he was granted, when Kessler was dipping into a whole load of different powers. You know who else uses a lot of powers? Delsin!

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    • DBZCREEPY wrote:
      Doesn't matter, Cole still managed to aim for the rotor and sent the chopper to the ground, even when he was going to take a nap just seconds after that. Well we don't know if he would've died or not, he is a Conduit. Also you still haven't answered my question, has Delsin destroyed any APCs or choppers in cutscenes or is that something you do in gameplay only? If the latter option, it doesn't count.


      Why doesn't it count? Because you said so? Besides Cole only manage to Ground the helicopter AFTER absorbing a Blast Core essentially being overcharge. Cutscenes are the only thing that count, huh? How about the cutscene where, after Kuo and Cole rescue Dr. Wolfe, Cole gets flung out of the pickup truck remarking that the pain of impact is like "a small death" to the point where he couldn't do anything to save Kuo and crawling into a storm drain was a trial? He comes out after 4 HOURS. You want proof? Watch until the 18:15 mark.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW3NTw7An5U&feature=player_detailpage#t=1021

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    • DBZCREEPY wrote:
      Also why can't we use Kessler? Because he's more impressive than anything Delsin has fought? That seems unfair. Kessler wasn't holding back, and why would you blame his age for anything? He still had a lot more power than anything Delsin faced even with his age. Now I understand why people think Kessler could've been holding back, "well what if he killed Cole? Wouldn't that ruin the purpose of him traveling back in time?" Yes it would, however he knew Cole was powerful enough to take him down. Kessler hit him with everything he had to make sure Cole was ready, why would he give him a pity win when he wanted him to go out and save humanity? Seems a little stupid, and Kessler is quite intelligent of a man. Also let's not forget, that Kessler could've had the option of going back in time again if he did kill Cole, so he had a precaution. No doubt in my mind he was going all out on Cole. Also if you noticed he barely used electricity as his power output, whereas that's the only thing Cole used. That's another reason why Cole won, he had a better manipulation of the power he was granted, when Kessler was dipping into a whole load of different powers. You know who else uses a lot of powers? Delsin!

      Alright then. You wanna play that game? Since cutscenes seem to be the only thing you except as points, how about when Cole said Kessler's trip was ONE WAY? He couldn't afford to kill Cole. And notice he never used Megawatt Hammers or Lightning Storms? If his grenades, thunder drops and lightning bolts were as strong as they were, those 2 (some of Cole's strongest powers) could have easily ended him. Oh, sorry. I guess that was a gameplay mechanic too, huh? Further up, you told someone they had their head so far up their ass about Delsin they had no idea what they were saying, yes? It seems to me that you have the same scenario with Delsin. You're so focused on Cole tjat you won't listen to anyone who tries to prove you wrong. How about you get your head out of your ass about Cole, okay? I got to play Second Son recently. I originally thought Cole would destroy Delsin, but now I'm not so convinced. Video wings and Light Speed cpuld run circles around Cole, and Neon and Video sources are quite abundant. Video Stream is essentially Bolt Stream from 2; it pounds opponents with rapid fire, low powered projectiles. It could seriously hurt Cole if it were sustained. Neon, while slower, is much more powerful. Plus, he could potentially two or evem ome shot kill, since Neom highlights weak points. And Karma Bombs? Cole wpuld not be walking away from a Hellfire Swarm or a Radiant Sweep. And don't give me crap about how it doesn't one shot Augustine: we both know that was a gameplay mechanic: even Kessler wouldn't stand under the ridiculous beating Delsin hit her with. You're almost certainly going to pull some excuses out of nowhere about how this is unreliable information or whatever. I don't care. You obviously don't care for anyone's facts. Why are you even on a debate thread when you refuse to listen to evidence?

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    • Harbinger9878 wrote:
      DBZCREEPY wrote:
      Also why can't we use Kessler? Because he's more impressive than anything Delsin has fought? That seems unfair. Kessler wasn't holding back, and why would you blame his age for anything? He still had a lot more power than anything Delsin faced even with his age. Now I understand why people think Kessler could've been holding back, "well what if he killed Cole? Wouldn't that ruin the purpose of him traveling back in time?" Yes it would, however he knew Cole was powerful enough to take him down. Kessler hit him with everything he had to make sure Cole was ready, why would he give him a pity win when he wanted him to go out and save humanity? Seems a little stupid, and Kessler is quite intelligent of a man. Also let's not forget, that Kessler could've had the option of going back in time again if he did kill Cole, so he had a precaution. No doubt in my mind he was going all out on Cole. Also if you noticed he barely used electricity as his power output, whereas that's the only thing Cole used. That's another reason why Cole won, he had a better manipulation of the power he was granted, when Kessler was dipping into a whole load of different powers. You know who else uses a lot of powers? Delsin!
      The fanboyism is strong in this one.

      If Kessler weren't holding back, then his mission to train Cole in a twisted way would have been pointless..............

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    • Harbinger9878 wrote:
      Oh yes. I very much doubt Alden and Sasha were holding back; Cole just overpowered them.

      However Delsin fought and defeated several members of a very military-level organization that used Concrete-Conduits as its supersoldiers (the DUP), including their leader who had even more Concrete power (Augustine.)

      Not sure if IF1 Cole going up against a street gang that has Conduits among it's members (Reapers), a band of homeless people whom some are Conduits (Dust Men), or a secret society that researches Conduits and has some Conduit soldiers (First Sons) could be on par with Delsin fighting a well-trained, well-equipped militant force.................

      Also, should Fetch and Eugene count as a part of Delsin's wincount?

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    • Of course those two should count. Without them Delsin wouldn't have received his other abilities. I also state that Delsin is pretty durable. And do not give me crap about how Augustine knocked Delsin with the concrete daggers. He has taken lasers (Fetch, Angels, Eugune), explosions (Demons, explosive stuff), multiple gunshots (D.U.P), lava (Eugune's Arena), Augustine, and her massive hordes of concrete goons. And none of them were holding back.

      Also a reminder to the final boss battle, he was able to defeat Augustine with his premature Concrete power. Also remember that InFamous 1 Cole had limited battle experience, like Delsin.

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    • Maelstrom14 wrote:
      Of course those two should count. Without them Delsin wouldn't have received his other abilities. I also state that Delsin is pretty durable. And do not give me crap about how Augustine knocked Delsin with the concrete daggers. He has taken lasers (Fetch, Angels, Eugune), explosions (Demons, explosive stuff), multiple gunshots (D.U.P), lava (Eugune's Arena), Augustine, and her massive hordes of concrete goons. And none of them were holding back.

      Also a reminder to the final boss battle, he was able to defeat Augustine with his premature Concrete power. Also remember that InFamous 1 Cole had limited battle experience, like Delsin.

      Point taken,Maelstrom14.

      Also, Fetch technically had formal training to use her powers. And Delsin managed to defeat her with only premature Neon Power, and without training for any of his powers.

      Delsin managed to beat Eugene even though they were battling in Eugene's virtual world, and managed to deal with several of Eugene's Demon and Angel Constructs.

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    • Does Cole still have his amp or isn't it

      Cole - Hand to Hand

      Delsin - Chain?

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    • 198.233.104.154 wrote:
      Does Cole still have his amp or isn't it

      Cole - Hand to Hand

      Delsin - Chain?

      We're talking about Infamous 1 Cole vs. Delsin Rowe

      So no, no amp.

      But Cole could still use his brawling skills, the Bio-Leech, and the Gigawatt Blades for melee

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